How do i play BG

[charlysixb]

First off all that for answer Aurandila
And for the keybinding it's easy i use this 1,2,3,4,5,Q,E,X,F,R,`,3 buttons on the mouse,Ctrl-1,2,3,4,5,Q,E,X,F,R,`

Pretty much this!

[SOcial]

The fact that the heal debuff is an outgoing one make it really strong, also its a tactic and cant be cleanse (not 100% sure though)

but i'm gonna say the bad word, you could also use NB for buff/debuff sequences (incoming shitstorm ? :p)

[Older]

Like that

[Aurandilaz]

The fact that the heal debuff is an outgoing one make it really strong, also its a tactic and cant be cleanse (not 100% sure though)

but i'm gonna say the bad word, you could also use NB for buff/debuff sequences (incoming shitstorm ? :p)

it can be cleansed, but since you can stack it 3 times, and keep spamming it on every gcd, you'll be able to perma-spam it so such extent that no amount of cleansing will keep the healer clean.
NB makes no sense for BG, as you should always choose a debuff according to situation.

IMO I'd still not choose the debuff... simply because you have other nice stuff to choose from. But as said, there is no correct way to play BG, different builds suit different playstyles and different teams have different needs regarding their BG.

[anarchypark]

harassing healers?
disorient, interrupt, KD, KB and healdebuff are tools for that
BG have all but disorient. also healdebuff have int/will debuff
just being next to enemy healer is threat cuz they have to keep moving to avoid 90 hate long punt
this repositioning reduces their focus and long cast heal chance
if they ignore you they will suffer off cliff, out of sight, out of range etc
this works against BW too

though it's kinda solo play
you need durability to pass through enemy lines to get healer
sometimes they ignore you cuz hitting tank looks stupid, SnB works well for this
2h alone in backline means more 3vs1 situation than SnB
with this durability you can't kill anything alone
being pain in the a** is all you can do

Simple snare and assist train might better for 2h
pure damage or harassing, pick one

above is about SC play

[tazdingo]

Is a Bg that specializes in debuffing healers any useful? Or do other classes already do this, making it redundant?

i have seen tesq talk of running a nigh unkillable BG who's job is to solely run soul killer and dish out crit debuffs/superduperpunts/5sec kd

in writing, i was convinced. in practice, it faltered. it may require a more coordinated group than i have played with, or a more skilled player than i

it is doubtless than BG can take a beating better than any other tank in the game (and therefore plow through to the backline), but doing so requires so many GCDs that i often find myself unable to do anything when i arrive there. it's a common meme that BG requires a blessing from tzeentch that grants 18 fingers - i disagree. at high levels i can cut the fat and do without several seemingly useful abilities, but i am always, always starved for GCDs

there is just so much to do as BG. can anyone outgoing heal debuff better than BG... no, nobody else can apply 3 stacks. but in orvr especially, you'll spend so long using your abilities that keep you alive (in lieu of the natural formidability of non elf tanks... knight and chosen have auras, dwarfs and orcs are just naturally hard) that being able to soul killer a meaningful number of enemy healers is a luxury that rarely presents itself

[Tesq]

Is a Bg that specializes in debuffing healers any useful? Or do other classes already do this, making it redundant?

i have seen tesq talk of running a nigh unkillable BG who's job is to solely run soul killer and dish out crit debuffs/superduperpunts/5sec kd

in writing, i was convinced. in practice, it faltered. it may require a more coordinated group than i have played with, or a more skilled player than i

it is doubtless than BG can take a beating better than any other tank in the game (and therefore plow through to the backline), but doing so requires so many GCDs that i often find myself unable to do anything when i arrive there. it's a common meme that BG requires a blessing from tzeentch that grants 18 fingers - i disagree. at high levels i can cut the fat and do without several seemingly useful abilities, but i am always, always starved for GCDs

there is just so much to do as BG. can anyone outgoing heal debuff better than BG... no, nobody else can apply 3 stacks. but in orvr especially, you'll spend so long using your abilities that keep you alive (in lieu of the natural formidability of non elf tanks... knight and chosen have auras, dwarfs and orcs are just naturally hard) that being able to soul killer a meaningful number of enemy healers is a luxury that rarely presents itself

was not me sy , done once a 102% disrupt build but i never wrote about it on the forum, it was maybe jaycub, i agree with you i do not run also the heal debuff because i dont have time for that. Keep up 2 crush the weak is enough + the rest of the buff/debuff you have to deal with also considering common tank jobs

It's more also due to 2h vs s+b build. S+b offer a better hate management and a better crush the weak. 2h build don't unless you wanna invest in the channeling but i prefer go more def on my bg. Actually im trying to make better my s+b build so im s+b when i log my bg. I feel 2h is better in more occasions than s+b tough i hade some buil ideas but i need rr 50 to test them.

[Jaycub]

The consensus of most competitive guilds is the outgoing healdebuff strat isn't worth it on IB or BG. I actually really wanted to make it work, and did some organized 6v6 with it... going as far to setting up our entire strat around the playstyle.

It's beyond gimmicky and easily countered, in fact hard countered by any 3-2-1 group or group with excellent pressure that can take advantage of a missing tank.

However, outgoing HD in a pug environment, is amazing. Simply because your duties as a tank are nearly as defined, and usually the other team isn't going to capitalize on your absence at all. So you can freely run into the backlines, outgoing debuff 3+ healers and pick one to bully with CC and crippling their healing.


BG isn't any harder to play than any other tank, it just has more buttons which is totally made moot by a MMO gaming mouse (g600/naga) which gives you 48+ binds with modifiers like CTRL/SHIFT/ALT, for instance bar 1 is 1-12 on the mouse, bar 2 is shift+1-12, bar 3 is ctrl+1-12, morales are alt+1-4, some abilities can be tied to q,e,r,f,t,c... for instance assist macro is tied to q, guard to e, etc...

About builds, I think the best thing BG can do right now is full left tree, then picking up parry and crit reduction abilities in the middle tree and getting AoE snare at RR60. Full offensive gear, with defensive jewelry, talismans, and renown (avoidance renown mostly), and the weapon is up to you. With that type of build I feel extremely tanky, and I have a perfectly viable OH **** button with the crit reduction ability from the middle tree which acts like a ghetto vigilence mirror from knight. Always remember to have healing potions, AP pots, etc... as well.

This lets you do as much damage as a SnB BO (skullthumper damage is just too hard to beat), but much more tanky and lets you bring some decent utility, albeit utility that is usually already covered by other classes (unfortunately).

[tazdingo]

Is a Bg that specializes in debuffing healers any useful? Or do other classes already do this, making it redundant?

i have seen tesq talk of running a nigh unkillable BG who's job is to solely run soul killer and dish out crit debuffs/superduperpunts/5sec kd

in writing, i was convinced. in practice, it faltered. it may require a more coordinated group than i have played with, or a more skilled player than i

it is doubtless than BG can take a beating better than any other tank in the game (and therefore plow through to the backline), but doing so requires so many GCDs that i often find myself unable to do anything when i arrive there. it's a common meme that BG requires a blessing from tzeentch that grants 18 fingers - i disagree. at high levels i can cut the fat and do without several seemingly useful abilities, but i am always, always starved for GCDs

there is just so much to do as BG. can anyone outgoing heal debuff better than BG... no, nobody else can apply 3 stacks. but in orvr especially, you'll spend so long using your abilities that keep you alive (in lieu of the natural formidability of non elf tanks... knight and chosen have auras, dwarfs and orcs are just naturally hard) that being able to soul killer a meaningful number of enemy healers is a luxury that rarely presents itself

was not me sy , done once a 102% disrupt build but i never wrote about it on the forum, it was maybe jaycub, i agree with you i do not run also the heal debuff because i dont have time for that. Keep up 2 crush the weak is enough + the rest of the buff/debuff you have to deal with also considering common tank jobs

It's more also due to 2h vs s+b build. S+b offer a better hate management and a better crush the weak. 2h build don't unless you wanna invest in the channeling but i prefer go more def on my bg. Actually im trying to make better my s+b build so im s+b when i log my bg. I feel 2h is better in more occasions than s+b tough i hade some buil ideas but i need rr 50 to test them.

you are right it was jaycub

but as he just said (and i paraphrase), sod it, play a BO instead. whilst everything said above was likely solid, i'm not high rank enough to know, i'm still unconvinced it beats a BO in terms of playing a bully in an unorganized group

unless you want to play a solo def tank in pubs. at which you are slightly more effective than a def SM. that is, completely unkillable (on paper) whilst you have melee to hit in order to keep all your elfy buffs up to make up for the fact that you're an elf. that being, a rare situation when fighting against order

i dunno it's just sorta sad... i feel so much more effective playing a blind drunk ravage spam chosen with 6 abilities on rotation than when i really knuckle down and tryhard to make BG have any impact in pub SCs. pugs i dunno, even after months i'm still not confident enough with the class to join any.

[Tesq]

I'd like to try a hybrid build s/b offensive enough to solo piss 1 healer and threat all the rest but require too many mastery jump and points, now even the balance forum is closed till sov which left me upset about my BG. I need too many stuff from all mastery to make a build like that to work which is a shame. Would had been a fun offensive s/b build