DOK -healing-

[Tesq]

lol... almost all of you talking about DPS DOK.... im talking about Healing.. Jeez

The only one here with common sense is Iafrot, but then again, is point of view got dismiss by the rest. Not really a surprise!

Facetanking 6 people while spam healing yourself and your group at the same time isn't my idea of an engaging playstyle. Many agree with me on that sentiment. Why do you think anyone would agree with your 'flawless' logic? You have a point of view... now why don't you try making a point?

Or just realize you're not going to accomplish anything with the caliber of posts you vomit up and don't post.

sy but this extly what ppl are doing with dok/wp melee hitter atm 6 ppl are hitting them and they tank it just fine; since guard and detaunt debuff the same value what's the differece between a caster and a melee hitter?

it was just decided that the corret way to frontline with dok/wp was hit in melee rather than melee caster, in no way this make the class more skill, it only kill "diversity", i had some good results as front liene caster but now i will reroll a zealot if these changes will keep with this direction/ or until a gear will allow me to frotn line caster again.

[zak68]

what's a "front line caster" ?

[Tesq]

what's a "front line caster" ?

dok/wp aoe/g healing spammer that need to rec in melee, the way they where suppose to play as caster, not backline caster but medium/front line. dok/wp no matter what path suppose to be a kind of more near the front healer, dosen't matter if caster healer or melee hitting healer. Relegate them to the backline as caster just made em badder, and the difference when 1 archtype is made worst became badder as in case of dok vs wp in healing set up. Since ttk is lower now on them and differences such have to face rkd and having a bad copy of wp deatunt and also have less healing crit just make it only a ghost compared to a wp.
Also no kitting tool, same armor more or less as other healers (7% less than before math done), but still need to stay still for heal.
It's still in a mid ground but just made worst. The chalice bug fix while it was a bit op now fixed made again chalice useless.
All of this just to make melee healers more relevant to group comp make dok/wp even more mandatory in small skirm and making more mandatory cheesy burst+KD which are even more the solution to everything. >So less skill but more prevent your enemy to play by kill it so fast it can't even react or build perma kite groups way more effective on order side anyway than on destru. That's the meta these changes have enforced, which lukyly few groups seems to apply to it.

[Asherdoom]

so actually how is the healing rotation for DOK? i see we lost some spells and kept the HOT/aoe heals. shall we go willpower+spell crit renown to proc the passive shield from talent build?

[Sigimund]

What spells did you lose?

[Asherdoom]

transfer essence got no tooltip and is ot working at all to me

[Gachimuchi]

sy but this extly what ppl are doing with dok/wp melee hitter atm 6 ppl are hitting them and they tank it just fine; since guard and detaunt debuff the same value what's the differece between a caster and a melee hitter?

it was just decided that the corret way to frontline with dok/wp was hit in melee rather than melee caster, in no way this make the class more skill, it only kill "diversity", i had some good results as front liene caster but now i will reroll a zealot if these changes will keep with this direction/ or until a gear will allow me to frotn line caster again.

Except you forgot to mention what enables them to do this is interrupt-able. If you get KD and interrupted and your guard punted you die like anything else.

[Tesq]

sy but this extly what ppl are doing with dok/wp melee hitter atm 6 ppl are hitting them and they tank it just fine; since guard and detaunt debuff the same value what's the differece between a caster and a melee hitter?

it was just decided that the corret way to frontline with dok/wp was hit in melee rather than melee caster, in no way this make the class more skill, it only kill "diversity", i had some good results as front liene caster but now i will reroll a zealot if these changes will keep with this direction/ or until a gear will allow me to frotn line caster again.

Except you forgot to mention what enables them to do this is interrupt-able. If you get KD and interrupted and your guard punted you die like anything else.

no, what enable them is another healer and transfer essence /wp equivalent since all lifetap cannot be heal debuffed, also you need a guard just to be more safe but the aoe detaunt it's the same of a guard they in fact do not stack, and reduced the damages the same;

trasfer essence more or less do 500 heals every GCD to all party dam.....

1k spam x seconds + immune to heal debuff, the only solution it's either CD increase or KD/disarm, the channeling now it's just addition not the primary source of your healing. Anyway you still need to hit them with those cc as if they wouldn't go around with 38-40% parry.
Or you can stay ranged and kite (order can do that better what surprise).

[Gachimuchi]

no, what enable them is another healer and transfer essence /wp equivalent since all lifetap cannot be heal debuffed, also you need a guard just to be more safe but the aoe detaunt it's the same of a guard they in fact do not stack, and reduced the damages the same;

trasfer essence more or less do 500 heals every GCD to all party dam.....

1k spam x seconds + immune to heal debuff, the only solution it's either CD increase or KD/disarm, the channeling now it's just addition not the primary source of your healing. Anyway you still need to hit them with those cc as if they wouldn't go around with 38-40% parry.
Or you can stay ranged and kite (order can do that better what surprise).

Do you even play one of these classes? SR/TE doesn't keep people up under focus fire, RS/DA do.

Also, AoE heal for 500-700 every GCD is pretty normal since DoK/WP AoE heal healed for about that much anyway before the patch. My channel heals for about 1.2k a tick, on both my WP and DoK. In terms of ST healing it is unmatched by any other ability you have access to on either class and this is why you don't know what you're talking about.

Saying RS/DA are just supplementary is nonsense. Is like saying zealot/rp flash heal is supplementary to their AoE heal. They are ST and AoE heals, you use them for two different things.

[Tesq]

and my post was about front line heal spam which of course in wp/dok case mean aoe/g heals ....

melee g heals for 2x 500 heals is not normal if it's done take 1 sec with out ALL the risk involved for that with out even the need of crit, also not be influenced by heal debuff that's just wrong as ppl defend it. ( i need to crit to heal 1k as caster and with the risk of being : interrupted/silenced/rkd/now even KB due to how kb was changed from live/set back/kd )

and yes it's supplementary because 1 it's a g heal effect, the other one it's st heal 2 different type of effect for 2 different purpose. If the main factor would be be able to g heal spam then the melee hitter it's doing WAY better than caster and this is dam wrong
because a caster have more counter if it's forced to stay front line for rec.