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shaggyboomboom
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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#41 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:11 pm

Why would ever take Discipline? Don't! It's a waste of a tactic slot. But where is Wild Healing? It's the one tactic that makes AM heals easy to manage with AP! I presume that you want the 3 Isha skills and HD/Law of Gold.

And the argument that you can solo L30 heroes as a slayer (I presume) is stupid.

And no, RP and WP > AM. Sorry, but as much as I love my AM, I wish I rolled an RP sometimes due to the lack of burstheal.
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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#42 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:14 pm

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=am; ... 5:3448:0:0:

Quite simply, You'll always want to take the Silence over the Healdebuff. DPS in your groups should always have this. Silence is useful for when your group has pressure over the opposing group. The timely Silence will help in getting a kill in a 6v6 or similar. Going silence also buffs SoS, you'll learn about this later on in this post.

AM heal tree m4 is pretty meh in the current morale gain state. Morale gain doesn't scale in groups like it should so will take you 5minutes without any bonus from gear to build. Better to use Focused Mind or Divine Aid every time, as with a measly +4 morale gain you'll have access to Focused Mind every 60s.

Anyone who recommends Restorative Burst on any healer is just a group heal spammer. Wild healing will out-perform Restorative Burst when played by any decent healer player. Healing with HoTs + Healing Energy/Boon of Hysh is far more effective than spamming Blessing of Isha.
Wild healing procs from any form of healing that you do, instead of RB's direct heals.
Wild Healing doesn't effect Lambent Aura for some strange reason. It was like this on live too.

Now we come to Magical Infusion. It's literally only a small deterant to focus someone in a 6v6 environment. Nothing else. Generally, you'll be healing someone who is heal debuffed. Even with Desperation, the base value of this heal will get outperformed by 9pts vaul Shield of Saphery. Shield of Saphery also costs less AP without WildHealing up, absorbs aren't effected by healdebuffs, and on a 20s cooldown instead of 1minute.

SoS with 557WP + 9pts Vaul = 1202
MI with 557WP + 13pts Isha = 1090, 1526 with Desperation.
With desperation, while your target is Healdebuffed, this is 763.
If MI criticals, It's minimum is 2136 and it's maximum is 2440(Crits RNG from 40-60%). 50% healdebuff and its down to 1068/1220. Only better if you crit rng on that upper range. You need to roll that 58% or higher to be better than SoS, which is about a 14% chance.

As a side note, in the builder i've left a tactic slot open. This is because Willpower vs 10% heal crit is dependant on your gear. My r30 shaman was benefiting more from Willpower than 10% heal crit over a parse of 500HoT ticks AND 250 Boon of Hysh equivalent. I haven't been bothered to test on my 40/40 AM.

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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#43 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:18 pm

Solo killed hero 29 as AM but with bit differrnt iteams and tactic. You may use this tactic +35 more heals but I prefer have tactic for action points, still use drain magic. Total I have 2700 armour with potion and 0 to being critically hit and can crit AOE heal for 2800.

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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#44 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:30 pm

I've also been thinking about switching Restorative Burst for some other tactic on my AM. Currently have RB, WH, +10% crit heal and Desperation on. Any suggestion?

Current build is Isha until Funnel + WH and Marsh with Vaul until Law of Gold. Almost rr41 which won't change much.
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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#45 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:36 pm

shaggyboomboom wrote:I've also been thinking about switching Restorative Burst for some other tactic on my AM. Currently have RB, WH, +10% crit heal and Desperation on. Any suggestion?

Current build is Isha until Funnel + WH and Marsh with Vaul until Law of Gold. Almost rr41 which won't change much.
Drop RB for DiscerningOffence/RunBetweenWorlds/Transfermagic.

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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#46 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:44 pm

Lileldys wrote:
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shaggyboomboom wrote:I've also been thinking about switching Restorative Burst for some other tactic on my AM. Currently have RB, WH, +10% crit heal and Desperation on. Any suggestion?[

Current build is Isha until Funnel + WH and Marsh with Vaul until Law of Gold. Almost rr41 which won't change much.
Drop RB for DiscerningOffence/RunBetweenWorlds/Transfermagic.
Been thinking about RBW and TM. Gonna make 2 tactic sets with 1 in each.

Do you know what are the ticks for Drain Magic w/ TM on?
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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#47 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:17 pm

shaggyboomboom wrote:
Lileldys wrote:
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shaggyboomboom wrote:I've also been thinking about switching Restorative Burst for some other tactic on my AM. Currently have RB, WH, +10% crit heal and Desperation on. Any suggestion?[

Current build is Isha until Funnel + WH and Marsh with Vaul until Law of Gold. Almost rr41 which won't change much.
Drop RB for DiscerningOffence/RunBetweenWorlds/Transfermagic.
Been thinking about RBW and TM. Gonna make 2 tactic sets with 1 in each.

Do you know what are the ticks for Drain Magic w/ TM on?
Should be dependant on how many people you hit, 1 person = 30ap/3s iirc. Not really playing atm tho.

I never really had issues with AP with just Wild Healing. The AoE AP drain was more to slow down inc damage from melee trains. It's not a big reduction to their dps, but it can help. Sometimes, it's better to get a single target AP drain on stealthies to deny them stealth.

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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#48 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:45 pm

Why do people keep writing that you should be using Shield of Saphery instead of Magical Infusion? You should be using both!

By the way, some amount of an absorb bubble is almost always wasted because some of the damage absorbed would have been mitigated by armor anyway.

For example, an ability hits for 1,000 points of damage. Assume that 90 points is mitigated by toughness and 25% of the remainder would be mitigated by armor. An absorb bubble would absorb 1,000 - 90 = 910 points of damage and the toon takes no damage. If the toon has no absorb bubble, the damage after mit by toughness and 25% mitigation by armor is 0.75 x (1000 - 90) = 683.

So the 910 point absorb bubble really only reduced damage by 683 points with the other 25% being wasted. Keep that in mind when you are considering the effectiveness of absorbs.

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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#49 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:49 pm

Annaise16 wrote:Why do people keep writing that you should be using Shield of Saphery instead of Magical Infusion? You should be using both!.
No, we keep writing that is better to not spend a point into magical infusion at the current RR ranks, because its a worse Shield of saphery.

If you have spare points getting it may not be the worst idea but there is better things to pickup than it, simple as that.

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Re: [Archmage] How to heal

Post#50 » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:16 pm

Yea, can't healing if you are death, same when you run away. Same if your tanks push on enemy healers and they are too far to get your aoe heal and you can't come closer because first better dps kill you. So you can only stay far away behind order rdps and tanks don't get heals. There is no time to think, you use only 3 abilities, aoe heal, group snare and detanout. And AM is better much more than RP and WP because AM crit you once and in 1 second you may regain 3000 hp, and before RP or WP restore you 3000 hp by their fast but small heals you die 2 times. I play ROR 6 months and remember only once when some RP crit me few times for 2200. Their small heals are too small when you are attacked by 2-3 enemies . Maybe total they doing more heals than AM but it's because they always stealing something from AM big heals. And AM have group snare.

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