What is actually happening in T4?

[Grumpbot]

Just want to go on the record saying that I strongly disagree with the idea that dev changes to the design of RvR are fueling a realm imbalance. Sure, it may make the PvP worse (I don't have an opinion on this personally, but some people seem to think so), but like others have stated: it's alpha. Game systems are in flux.

That said, I can't really see changes to the game systems improving things if one side is completely dominant.

As far as the example given earlier of a 5 hour keep siege -- while that surely is exhausting and I'd never make it through the whole thing, that to me says that there is at least some competition. I'm more worried about open world fights that end in 30 seconds or less and keep sieges that end in 5-10 minutes or less.

[Dabbart]

... It's an Alpha. Be glad there aren't constant Wipes and game breaking bugs discovered on a weekly basis. That's how most Alpha's feel...

Those of you who were here for it, remember the nearly full Month that we couldn't do any ORvR. At all. Because of some major bug? Go to any BO/Keep and get DCd or bug out? Yea. I remember that. It sucked, but we knew that it would get fixed. In the mean time we switched gears to SCs or PvE. We held **** tons of Duels in the non-bugged area's of the Maps.

ORvR has bugged out majorly tons of times. I feel like I have played under half a dozen different place-holder systems. We know that the Devs have some grand plan. We hope it'll be awesome. Until then, those that want to engage in larger scale fights, or non-SC based battles will go Lake Diving. Others will hunt for the best gain/hour be it in terms of Gear, Gold, RR, whatever. And still others will Love the organized XvX SC battle system.

That's the awesome part to War. There's a lot to be doing. The game is no where near complete. There are plenty of things on both Realms that I am sure people find super frustrating. Still better than no WAR though right? Enjoy the parts that you can, and be patient.

[Thekil]

The community still needs to give their input on how they feel things are working though. Its an alpha sure, but without feedback it'd be a handful of people trying to test and balance everything on their own.

People give feedback and that's fine. What does my head in is when they get a response to that feedback and they don't like the response, so they get salty.

Take squig pets. They're AI controlled units. They need a pathing system, which is being worked on, to function optimally. Until then there is no solid solution, and people need to deal with that fact. Best that can be done is making repeated LOS checks as the Squig moves and forcing it to beeline to the target until it can see the target. Cue next response: "Oh White Lions are totally unaffected by that because the pet is melee, it's not fair, you gimped my class!"

Add to that that there are much higher priorities than that and you see the frustration with the "alpha's not an excuse!" brigade. It damn well is. Now I've been forced to issue a response, which I shouldn't have had to do in the first place and which will change absolutely nothing as the next thread will come around very soon with someone who has a better idea of what we should be doing than we do, or doesn't feel that the current state of the project is any justification for the existence of whatever issue is rustling them, and would like it fixed immediately, thank you very much.

You chose this, you no one forced you to take up this project. You cannot complain about anyone having issues when something does not work as it should.

[spacegoat]

You chose this, you no one forced you to take up this project. You cannot complain about anyone having issues when something does not work as it should.

YOU chose to sink many hours of your life into an alpha stage game in which the developers are actively experimenting. You knew that when you signed up. You are not entitled to anything at all, because you're not a customer.

I don't like the recent development decisions either, but seriously - get some perspective. And have you ever considered how toxic this kind of fruitless complaining is to the game environment as a whole?

[Dabbart]

He has. That's what makes him a Troll. He is right on track for where he wants to be. Check out his message history. I could be wrong, feels like a troll forum account.

[Thekil]

You chose this, you no one forced you to take up this project. You cannot complain about anyone having issues when something does not work as it should.

YOU chose to sink many hours of your life into an alpha stage game in which the developers are actively experimenting. You knew that when you signed up. You are not entitled to anything at all, because you're not a customer.

I don't like the recent development decisions either, but seriously - get some perspective. And have you ever considered how toxic this kind of fruitless complaining is to the game environment as a whole?

Yes I have considered how toxic this is, why do you think I wrote it? Where exactly do you read I think I am entitled to anything? I don't even play this crap anymore. Am just posting because he is complaining about something he chose to do. When you take up a project and invite people in on it, expect some to complain about issues, and don't whine about it when they do.

[Thekil]

He has. That's what makes him a Troll. He is right on track for where he wants to be. Check out his message history. I could be wrong, feels like a troll forum account.

Like you? You could have moved on but you chose to comment, so who is the troll?

[Dabbart]

That you Bretin? Lol. "I don't play anymore" Right... Can't, Not Allowed Too sounds closer. Thank you for proving my point.

On topic, T4 will get better. Hell, only a few months ago it didn't even exist... Keep up the thoughts and opinions. Just be prepared to get the exact same tone of feedback that you deliver:P

[Thekil]

That you Bretin? Lol. "I don't play anymore" Right... Can't, Not Allowed Too sounds closer. Thank you for proving my point.

On topic, T4 will get better. Hell, only a few months ago it didn't even exist... Keep up the thoughts and opinions. Just be prepared to get the exact same tone of feedback that you deliver:P

No I can play I just deleted the game. Nothing happened to keep me from playing I choose not to, that's all. It's Thekil BW btw, not Bretin.

[Asherdoom]

i believe, apart from the fact that still i in alpha, that endgame of age of reckoning is like this. i personally never played retail but if I'm correct warhammer is all a matter of open rvr. now the fact that in t4 there is no incentive to defense might be temporary. give feedback and maybe dudes can increase reward fr defending no?