Will oil damage be mitigated by armor?

[Annaise16]

Oil damage was mitigated by armor in the live game. That is why you had tanks on the ram. Are you planning to implement that here?

[DirkDaring]

used to have a skill deflect oil on tanks back on live , don`t think they added it to RoR .

[Toldavf]

Yeah but oil did have some defensibility back on live. It rarely one shotted anything before. Imo the sweet spot for damage should be enough to keep dps classes away from the door but not enough to really pressure a defensive tank(they will take lots of ire from the walls also).

Imo oil should be
1. Subject to some form of mitigation armour makes the most sense as tanks have large amounts of it.

2. Be dodgeable/blockable.

3. It should only tick every 2 seconds not every second

4. The damage should be adjusted so that a single use brings around 4k damage over 4 seconds 3 ticks at 0 2 4 seconds to anything not in medium armour. It could also have some crit added to the piece to give it some extra bite. This gives enough time to react but ensures a second use of oil will still threaten to kill stuff.

5. The oil pot its self needs a big buff in hp it should not be something easily destroyed by a few rdps

These steps i feel would be a start though im sure the devs are working on something similar.

[Toldavf]

Oil damage was mitigated by armor in the live game. That is why you had tanks no the ram. Are you planning to implement that here?

Prove it, link i video or something because if the development team went off everything the players assert was the case on live everyone would be one shotting each other

https://youtu.be/SVlf6nC3OuM?t=38 done

[Vayra]

Yeah, oil was mitigated on live, deff not morale damage. And much lower damage output than what we have here. 3k morale damage a tick is quite frankly absurd.

[Annaise16]

The WH has an armor debuff (What Blocka?) on him in that ss (see Thorvald's post). So the mitigation value would have been higher without the debuff.

Oil damage worked as a physical-damage, ranged attack. It could be blocked and dodged using the same checks as you would use against a pve mob at the maximum level of the rvr tier, for example, a level 40 mob in tier 4 rvr. The damage was mitigated by armor but not by toughness.

PS. Sorry for not posting a ss, but I thought this information was well-known to most people who played the live game.

[maddox911]

Tbh Im all for nerfing oil, not just because how much meele and tanks suffer but also because of the way how it currently destroys rams insanely fast.

It indeed did a lot less damage on live, I dont have any proof but I remember well enough that oil barely did anything if you had decent amount of healing, you could stand even as meele DPS inside of BW/Sorc AOE that did way more damage than it does here on top of taking oil, but I think we should be looking for some middle ground inbetween what it does now and what it did on live. It really didnt do enough back then. Maybe keep the damage higher than it usualy was, but allow for some mitigation?

Also as Annaise16 mentioned it used same checks as pve mob of level 40, maybe if thats possible that level could be brought up so the chance to dodge the oil would be somewhat lower, which would make sense afterall considering there is bunch of hot stuff all over the place, wouldnt be exactly easy to dodge.

Or possibly allow it to debuff armor to some extent so you cant mitigate most of the damage? But are still somewhat protected as a tank. That could also be possibility that would make a lot of sense. It is green so I imagine acid would do that to armor.

[Olszewski]

Got to remember we are not on live and not even close to sovereign gear like everyone had and higher. Looking at screen shots on my sov and warp. Sov. I was at 8k wounds 3.5 plus armor. Warp i as close to 10k wounds and 4.1+ armor. On my slayer. With these numbers tanks would be crazy higher than my numbers. Healers in live with gear higher than anni. gear could out heal oil damage. To be honest oil would 1 shot any of us in live with our current gear. Few days ago when keep spam was happening destro took the keep in praag with heavy numbers and oil dropping. You ppl need more than 20 ppl to take a keep now Bring 2 wb to take a keep in our current gear and cap. Both sides have the numbers on to make two warbands to take a keep its our own faults we dont rally up to do so. You want a decent keep fight well than both sides need bring forces compared to live keep takes. To those that bring 20 or less to a keep take good luck lol. bring more,rally more and both sides will give a good fight. Many ppl here want ez gear with low numbers to due so. Not going to happen. Live was zerg vs zerg t4 keep takes. Here there is no zerg vs zerg keep takes. Numbers show on forums with 400+ ppl in t4 sometimes 50/50 deatro and order. where are those numbers in the lake? Non existing because ppl here want closed low numbers groups. Gready ppls wont rally for massive warbands. Its our own fault the rvr lakes and keep takes dont happen not the oil. Those ppl complain because they bring less than 20 to a keep take. Lol. Its 3 am my time and there is 400+ in t4 50%/50% hmm 100vs 100 at keep takes will do. That leaves 200 ppl doing other things. But no one wants to rally up. Lol

[maddox911]

To be honest oil would 1 shot any of us in live with our current gear.

That is far from truth. The difference between oil damage being mitigated by armor and being morale damage is insane.
Im not saying it should do just as little damage as it does on live, but it definitely should do less than it does currently. At least to ram. You shouldnt have to wait 3 minutes to redeploy because it got oneshotted by someone clicking a button.

The number can also be adjusted once we have access to higher level of gear and it stops being useful, thats the beauty of playing here tbh.

[Annaise16]

To be honest oil would 1 shot any of us in live with our current gear.

That is far from truth. The difference between oil damage being mitigated by armor and being morale damage is insane.
Im not saying it should do just as little damage as it does on live, but it definitely should do less than it does currently. At least to ram. You shouldnt have to wait 3 minutes to redeploy because it got oneshotted by someone clicking a button.

The number can also be adjusted once we have access to higher level of gear and it stops being useful, thats the beauty of playing here tbh.

Oil still did plenty of damage on live to any toon that wasn't stacking armour. In tier 4, tanks and armor-stacking wp/doks were above the 75% amor mit value, so they took the minimum 25% damage. But most other classes still took plenty of damage if they were standing in oil.

Toons in the lower tiers, especially tier 2, were still killed by oil very frequently. (Who can forget the cries of - "Get out of the oil!" - so often heard at Mandred's Keep.)

The main difference between tier 4 and the lower tiers was that by tier 4 people had learned not to stand under the oil unless they were a tank.