Magus wy ppl think .....

[SilverWF]

Magus able to have zillion overall damage number at the end of scenarios
But he has low spike damage.
Magus can't pop just out of nowhere and in few skills made a frag.

[Renork]

Well t4 is here, can't wait to see all the "skilled" magi :^)

[footpatrol2]

You can't play your magus like the normal meta kiting group. You can but your seriously gimping your magus's damage.

By ditching your pet your losing 20% damage which is massive. You have to make a stance at a location and own it. Kite around your pet if you want. You have to have a group built around this idea or your seriously gimping your magus's damage.

Most groups I've seen don't build there groups around this idea. This is my opinion.

[Renork]

You can't play your magus like the normal meta kiting group. You can but your seriously gimping your magus's damage.

By ditching your pet your losing 20% damage which is massive. You have to make a stance at a location and own it. Kite around your pet if you want. You have to have a group built around this idea or your seriously gimping your magus's damage.

Most groups I've seen don't build there groups around this idea. This is my opinion.

Kite around your pet....hehe.....

[Annaise16]

I haven't really looked at magus numbers but engies have been doing great in scens. Damage might not be a great indicator of effectiveness but killing blows is, and engies rival BW/sorc for top number of killing blows in scens.

People argue that an engie has to do 200,000 damage to get 10 killing blows while the mdps only had to do 100,000 damage to get the same number of KBs. So that makes the engie less effective. But the point is that the engie is doing 200,000 damage in the same scen where the mdps is doing only 100,000 damage. They are both getting 10 KBs, so they have been equally effective in that scen. I expect the same applies to magus.

As someone pointed out on the first page of this thread, magus/engie are good in 12v12 and open rvr where they can get the most out of their aoe abilities. They just aren't good in 6v6 against guarded targets who are being healed, but no rdps is.

[Daknallbomb]

Hmmm I see another problem and i dunno wy it is like it is .
Yesterday i played like 20-30 scs . I make a lot of screens
We where often 2-3 magas in one sc . the most that i saw was changing spec.
same like me.
BUT : wy the hell they all do just the half dmg or less from me an no Death blows .....
if i had 300k dmg with 8 dbs second best magus had 130 k dmg 1 db or something . whats wrong there `? i dont think that iam the mega pro player or something . But wy it is like it is

[kok]

Hmmm I see another problem and i dunno wy it is like it is .
Yesterday i played like 20-30 scs . I make a lot of screens
We where often 2-3 magas in one sc . the most that i saw was changing spec.
same like me.
BUT : wy the hell they all do just the half dmg or less from me an no Death blows .....
if i had 300k dmg with 8 dbs second best magus had 130 k dmg 1 db or something . whats wrong there `? i dont think that iam the mega pro player or something . But wy it is like it is

There is nothing wrong here. If you are assisting , you won't be getting high dmg in 1 GCD to get the DB.
The 2nd higher dmg Magus may be doing 95% of your dmg and he won't get any of the DB.
That is how things works.
And by the way, chasing DB is stupid. The most important thing is the target dies. Whomever get the DB is not important.

[Daknallbomb]

i dont chase dbs i just try to get target bye target down i do nothing else . i also dont try to make massive aoe dmg for stats but if i try to normal kill other ppls i got these stats dunno how to make lesser dmg thats what i mean

[Nidwin]

Some Magus could have focussed on a more support role opposed to damage/KB. I'm not saying that's the case here but that could be an explanation. I wouldn't go for a changing spec as a support role but that's just me.

Can't say for Engies but at this point Magus should be fine in T4 because of ani gear being top-end and rr40 max renown rank without trivial blows and so on and so on. It's not cleansing and healing the main issue but that the Magus damage/critt wasn't on par with the cleansing, heal critts, ... at later stages in the game T4 end-game wise.

Magus auto-attack needs to be looked at as it's way too low for a hybrid (rds/mdps) based on sustained damage and not burst. There are of course other issues but that's not the point here.

As for those perfect 6-men setups and no place for any of those well known excluded toons, I still don't know. It would be interresting to see those 6-men going up to exotic groups like 6 Zealots who know how to play together.

[Daknallbomb]

we palyed 6 zea on live 4 fun ;D rly rly funny and rly rly rly good ;D
and dat no brust argument i dont understand , he has from the ranged dps /m dps from destru the second highest burst

*edit i meant Ranged and Magic dps NOT meele ! Think ther are some meeles with higher brust but just mayb