ROR without war

[Tesq]

chaotic advantage give 75 ap for a parry (active) every 3 sec even while you flee so why 45 ap every 3 sec (passive) even while you flee are overpowered, a

Something that needs you to be attacked and defend against it and not just any kind of defend, it has to be parried so it narrows it even more vs a passive that grants more than half the amount of that for doing absolutely nothing and would grant you ap even while using flee.

Really man? Really?

You cannot figure why its not even remotely comparable?

it is not man, guard will give you all the parry you want in open field , it's just wont work in siege situation which is where pftg was better anyway while instead armor buff form kobs is both uncleanseable and also regen ap

i gona adjust to that as always anyway...

[peterthepan3]

Man ^. -_-

I have to side with bloodi for once.

[Nekkma]

Dont take this thread to heart, you guys have done an amazing job with balance and modifications. You already know, you will never make everyone happy.

As this game requires a significant population I personally really do hope the management pay attention to how their work is percieved by one of the biggest guilds on the server. The "order biased" argument has come up so often on the forum and in game that I do not think they can ignore it. I disagree with they way it has been handled so far. The standard answer by the management team seem to be to call people saying it idiots or making jokes about it (we have examples of this in this very thread) and that any sort of bias is a myth. This is in my mind counterproductive and only fuels the discussion on bias, especially since everyone is biased one way or the other (I would assume that people making the "order bias" claim is somewhat "destro biased" for instance).

I understand that it can be frustrating when you do your best and get accused of things you feel are unfair but lashing out at people when they state this only reinforce their opinion. I personally know of people (even entire guilds) who left RoR because of this or similar reasons. I think a better way to prevent these accusations is to present how you correct for bias and implement a code-of-conduct for staff on the forums. For instance, if the dev team consists of people only playing order (not saying that is the case but you see this statement in chat and forums quite often) how do you ensure that the destruction perspective is considered as well.

Finally, I want to say that besides the critique (which I hope was constructive, at least that is how it was intended) I think the management does an amazing job.

[Nekkma]

Saying that you disagree with someone does not mean calling them idiots. For instance, I disagree with your post above but I keep it polite and do not call your opinion (and thus by extent you) "asininely stupid".

Anyway, I just stated how I see this and did not want to stir an argument.

[Vyshata]

I want to tell more about thoughts to focus 6 men instead of warbands. Please remember 6men activity on official servers and here: 6 men in orvr don't show their "skill" to other 6men. They avoid to dial each others. All they do is killing solo players and rarely checking BOs. Even is scenarios with 2 premades from different sides they don't fight each other, they kill randoms. They don't lock zones, they don't take keeps. Also I didn't see anyone from really good 6men of Order telling that game should be focused on 6 men. They gather their groups and fighting without yammer. They don't need any side nerfing, they know what to do and how to kill. They are TOP players and know how the things goes. You know that top players are small group, but yammers want to be in it. But they will never be. Top is combination of mind, skill and experience,not many men have it. I saw many men played from beta. They did bad that time. They do the same even now.
Second thing I want to tell is realm mentality.
I have an example: not long ago I logged Order toon (I played Order for many years and this side have my sympathy). It was 7 A.M.. Fist think I saw was yammer in chat that magus so OP and he outdamaged someone's engie in t2 and they need nerf. After short discussion I found that that "5 years experienced" guy don't know anything about positioning and I'm sure that he was outplayed due to tactics, not the class OP. I saw this yammer whole time I played Order and that was the reason why I reroled. Almost every common Order player count himself a superhero who can easily kill warbands and his wet dreams crushed by reality. Reality is that a man should think what he do and communicate with others. Almost none of order players have desire to play more then 6men. It's the mentality. But this game designed for communication. I remember times when 4 or more warbands coordinated in voicechats to make splitpushes and back assaults. Order was to overconfident to dial others. I talked to one guildleader not long ago. I asked him why does Order have at least 4 organised warbands but we almost never see them togeter - he told that they dont want alliance. They easily wipe our ally 6 groups when they get 2 warbands in one spot. But they dan't want it thinking others are unskilled and shitty. And suffer from our "zerg"

[Toldavf]

If you think premade are only looking to farm pugs and random I can debunk your argument right there. Having played in reserve for several guilds (gankbus, fusion, CA, ect ect) I can confirm from the voice chat that they all want to face other premade. Some are better than others at doing it ofc but they do all share the desire to have competition.

[Vyshata]

Yeah, almost every scenario I can see someone from premade groups type "Dear random friends! Please fight each other on this BO and we will fight against organised 6men on other BO" XDDDDDDD

[Telen]

How can anyone accuse order bias when they nerfed festerbomb and moved the healdebuff spam? Orders cheesiest ability. Do those zealots not getting 4.5k crits here think thats order bias?

[Azarael]

They also deliberately ignored that the Choppa tactic for +Str and WS and -Toughness was moved down for parity with Slayer, and that Inevitable Doom was made cleansable when there was absolutely no requirement for us to do so.

To the person complaining about our responses to "Order Bias" whine: this is exactly why we respond in such a flippant fashion. It's a shitty meme which was originally perpetuated by Destro partisans and took hold because of blind trust, and thus is worthy of all of the ridicule and dismissal that it gets. It's not the first time someone's cherry picked to try to prove Order bias and the more it happens, the more extreme our responses to it will get.

[peterthepan3]

Yeah, almost every scenario I can see someone from premade groups type "Dear random friends! Please fight each other on this BO and we will fight against organised 6men on other BO" XDDDDDDD

Think I speak on behalf of all 6mans when I say please - be quiet. Don't speak of what you don't know. You guys roll in warbands and zerg the hell out of every zone you're in; you don't do 6v6, so why have the audacity to comment on it? i am referring to premades who prioritise 6v6 over 6vpug scenarios btw.