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l3ugjuice
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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#41 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:50 pm

Shadowgurke wrote:
l3ugjuice wrote:
Trick question. There should be a dedicated tank guarding both the squid and the herder, therefore the question is moot. Redundancy is key.
Preferably two BOs for the racial synergy with the Squig
Racist! In our continuing efforts to be more accommodating towards more ethnically challenged tanks...I mean, we LEARNED out lesson from the great class orientation bathroom debates of 2010...it is no longer culturally acceptable for squig herders to profile tanks along racial or class lines. I mean, one's class makeup really is a relatively recent social construct that has nothing whatever to do with genetics. If an Empire Chosen himself identifies as a Black Orc, who are we to say differently?


(PS: the first rule of fight club is, DONT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB. Your tank should be named GLUBARB, not MICHAEL. In this way, we can remain outwardly accommodating while still accomplishing our goal. As Greenskins, the inferior races mistakenly believe we are incapable of accomplishing this goal through a prima facie neutral job requirement that has only a disparate impact).
Order: Werk, or Wirk, or Werke, or Wirkette
Destro: Werk, or Wirk, or Werke, or Werkette

you get the idea...Werk.

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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#42 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:21 pm

Hahahahaha made my day!^
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RyanMakara
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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#43 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:23 pm

papakami wrote:This is the advice of the 6man crowd? lol.

If you do not think that having your tank use guard and redirect damage is the MAIN objective for them to do... then you are hopeless. Your "knowledge" would be extremely disappointing.

I challenge you to play your 6man while having your tank not guard. LOL

I've seen more than a few CA premades get completely rekted BECAUSE their tank doesn't place guard and correctly redirect damage. The unguarded melee is immediately identified and immediately dispatched.

it is, without question, the MAIN objective. Any response to the latter is completely ignorant.
That's not their main objective, it's a mandatory practice for any tank in the '6man crowd'. The main objective for a tank in a 6 man group, is to be a good tank, not a mindless guardbot. Good tanks can 1. guard swap and 2. apply effective CC, both of which negate damage, while one does it in a direct way, the other does it in an indirect way. If you consider tanks to be fulfilling their 'main objective' just for using one of the most important abilities (aka activating it at the start of a SC/WB fight), I doubt your interpretation of the argument at hand is valid.

I think the main point here is a difference in semantics. Where bretin said the main point of a tank is not to redirect damage, yet also stating tanks are there to negate damage, makes this entire argument moot. You can hammer on and discredit him as much as you like for saying a certain thing, doesn't change the fact he is still deemed as one of the best and most knowledgeable players on RoR. Nitpicking solely for an ad hominem isn't very credible from your side.

Also, using CA's anecdotal mishaps as an example while bretin's in a different guild, lolwtf?
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Epo
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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#44 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:25 pm

"OG'S" in this case are probably mostly those who played rr100 and didnt touch the game in 08/09. We can all agree Redek was the real OG.

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Shadowgurke
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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#45 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:42 pm

papakami wrote:
I've seen more than a few CA premades get completely rekted BECAUSE their tank doesn't place guard and correctly redirect damage. The unguarded melee is immediately identified and immediately dispatched.
Not guarding our MDPS is part of the official Crittical Acclaim Punishment and Reconciliation Intervention, or CAPRI for short. The punishment is carried out according to §3 where it says that "He shalt not forget to praise his angel of mercy that is his Guardtank every 20 seconds of End time time."
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papakami
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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#46 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:49 pm

Ryan -

Answer this question: What is the single most important way a tank can be a "good tank". I'm not looking for a list here of all the abilities a tank can bring... just the single most important one. You know - the one that is mandatory per your own words.

Any response that is not "guard" - is an ignorant response. It is the single most important, most powerful, most fundamental ability the tank brings to the group. It is the defining ability of that archetype.

Now - once you're done trying to argue silliness and arrive at Guard. What does guard do? Redirects damage.

To straw-man the OP into saying this main objective is incorrect, and argue that a tank does "so much more", is exactly that. A straw man argument. The OP is not stating this is the ONLY thing a tank does. Just the MAIN thing.

The CA comment was made to a CA member. You yet again demonstrate a failure to read so you have linked it to someone else and made a lolwtf comment on it. Try reading first.
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StormX2
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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#47 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:00 pm

true OG's were from Beta's up until the level cap increase. we were smart enough to jump that sinking ship ;p

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RyanMakara
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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#48 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:27 pm

papakami wrote:Ryan -

Answer this question: What is the single most important way a tank can be a "good tank". I'm not looking for a list here of all the abilities a tank can bring... just the single most important one. You know - the one that is mandatory per your own words.

Any response that is not "guard" - is an ignorant response. It is the single most important, most powerful, most fundamental ability the tank brings to the group. It is the defining ability of that archetype.

Now - once you're done trying to argue silliness and arrive at Guard. What does guard do? Redirects damage.

To straw-man the OP into saying this main objective is incorrect, and argue that a tank does "so much more", is exactly that. A straw man argument. The OP is not stating this is the ONLY thing a tank does. Just the MAIN thing.

The CA comment was made to a CA member. You yet again demonstrate a failure to read so you have linked it to someone else and made a lolwtf comment on it. Try reading first.
Try naming people first. In this case you have; smartly enough, but the times before I had to guess and sift through your posts again just to see to whom you were referring (and usually that still clears up nothing). I didn't even know you were referring to me with your initial l2read comment. I read well enough; you're stating certain things awfully.

All this talk of "OP this and OP that" is admirable, but it helps if you actually call people by their name as displayed on the forums. You're not on one of the chans, here.

Single most important way to be a "good tank"? Use guard EFFECTIVELY. See how I differ the inherent use of the ability from the actual skill involved in using it in the most effective way possible? Guard requires more than simply activating it; it requires you to be mindful of your guard range, your positioning to not get punted out of that, and to swap guard to the correct target when pressure shifts. A good tank does not only use guard, he knows how guard works for and against him in every situation. Their main objective is thus to be a proper tank, NOT activate one ability and do /follow on the MA while jerking off. If you consider me to have completed my main objective by selecting a party member and clicking guard, while I spend most of the time nowhere near my guarded target/nor switch to a party target that is, how am I benefiting ANYONE?

One more thing; what the **** are we using the term redirect for? It seems more logical to use the Guard tooltip's definition of SPLITTING damage. It's an inherently flawed phrase too, since a tank is able to soak up more damage with block + parry than the person whose damage he's splitting off to himself, but redirect is a term used for URLs.
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StormX2
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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#49 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:29 pm

^ and dont be shitty at guard swapping like me

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Re: Why some of us OG's Get upset

Post#50 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:33 pm

StormX2 wrote:^ and dont be shitty at guard swapping like me
Maybe I need to start tanking for our premades :P
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