Grouping in RvR

[roadkillrobin]

The problem is the oRVR system. (This aplies to scenarios aswell) The problem is that kills, assist and heals rewards way to much renown, xp and inf. So instead of grouping up to defend or attack points people just farm kills instead. Imo they should remove it completely and adding massive bonus for taking Defended BO's and Keeps. And aswell as sucessfully defending BO's and Keeps. And then add the bonuses again once the Zone flips. Same with SCs. Renown and Xp should only be based on the score. Both oRVR and SC are objective based combat.

[Toldavf]

For some people farming kills provides the most fun. Me and most of the people I play with for instance

[roadkillrobin]

A good orvr system would force conflicts were you gonna get your fights and progress your realm at the same time. But we currently have a welfare system that rewards anything you do nomather if its good or bad for the realm. Wich makes no sence. In war theres no such thing. And it also makes people ignore the game objectives.

[Renork]

This is not a WAR specific problem, every MMO out there has this problem. The solution is up to the players, but you can't control how people behave.

[Razid1987]

Removing the reward from kills, and add them to objectives? You want people to PvDoor even more than they already do?
The point of the current system, is that PvP, or RvR, should be rewarding - And there can be no PvP / RvR without players to fight / kill.
The rewards of taking BOs / Keeps / Zones comes in T4 with city sieges. Thats where the "real" goal is.

The system we have now is obviously not perfect, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the lesser of two evils.

[kok]

The problem is the oRVR system. (This aplies to scenarios aswell) The problem is that kills, assist and heals rewards way to much renown, xp and inf.

Grouping up is the fastest way to farm kills for killing quest, especially for non-AOE melee class.
I have no idea why people think it isn't so.
People don't (create) group up because they are lazy. Created Warband filled up relatively fast.

[Tesq]

ppl still think they get more exp/renown solo as on live which should not happen i think in ror

[katroulitsa]

Great, another thread where some poor guy dared to ask if grping gets easier in later tiers and gets bombarded with new rvr systems' ideas...

@OP, just farm rats and lvl up fast. T2 is a nightmare.

And miss out on the rr...

Leveling in T2 goes insanely fast. If there's no action in the lakes, join SCs. Much faster compared to rats and you gain rr plus medals, too.

How exactly are you gonna join scs, as melee for example, with no guards and heals? Unless someone has some secret fetish with dying, i personally find it an awful idea. Rr gain isn't an issue anyways once you go to t3 and there are ALWAYS premades looking for ppl.

[roadkillrobin]

Removing the reward from kills, and add them to objectives? You want people to PvDoor even more than they already do?
The point of the current system, is that PvP, or RvR, should be rewarding - And there can be no PvP / RvR without players to fight / kill.
The rewards of taking BOs / Keeps / Zones comes in T4 with city sieges. Thats where the "real" goal is.

The system we have now is obviously not perfect, but as far as I'm concerned, it's the lesser of two evils.

No you missed my entire point. The reason PVDooR even exist is coz people don't bother defending it. And when they do it's to farm kills not to defend the objective. The problem with the system is that it rewards you for participating. (It actually rewards you for doing poorly aswell) And no consequences for loosing. If "winning" is the only way to advance your characters and you're entire realm it forces the other realm to get organized and fight back. This in the long run creates a competative game with guild/realm pride.
It also forces comflics around objetives coz it's the only way you can advance. And this will naturally lead to confrontation aka fights. What strategy you chose to defend is up to you. It can by by blocking the road to it. Or it can be to build a defence around it, It doeasn't really mather, it's part of the long goal wich is zone controll. And when you get that it rewards you and your realm. Pretty much every team sport works like this.

[Razid1987]

No you missed my entire point. The reason PVDooR even exist is coz people don't bother defending it.

You're partly correct: I'd say people don't defend because it's easy to x-realm and just ride on the zerg. And even though the rewards for taking empty keeps are sh*t, people still do it for hours on end. Increases the rewards would only make this worse.

And when they do it's to farm kills not to defend the objective. The problem with the system is that it rewards you for participating. (It actually rewards you for doing poorly aswell) And no consequences for loosing. If "winning" is the only way to advance your characters and you're entire realm it forces the other realm to get organized and fight back. This in the long run creates a competative game with guild/realm pride.

Sure, but you are effectively defending the objectives as a result, because of kill-farms.
I'm a little skeptic about this, tbh. I generally agree with you, but giving absolutely zero reward for losing is not something I'm a fan off. It's not always your fault, that you're losing, so completely taking away your reward, because of random factors, seems harsh. It sucks to get nothing out of your efforts, and I fear that it will make people leave /stop trying as soon they realise that they won't succeed. Winning should obviously give bigger rewards, but some kind of reward should be for the losers as well, if you ask me. Kinda like what the Devs did with the Emblems for SCs. I think that worked out pretty well. Even though it really sucks to lose when you have 199 points, or something like that

It also forces comflics around objetives coz it's the only way you can advance. And this will naturally lead to confrontation aka fights. What strategy you chose to defend is up to you. It can by by blocking the road to it. Or it can be to build a defence around it, It doeasn't really matter, it's part of the long goal wich is zone control. And when you get that it rewards you and your realm. Pretty much every team sport works like this.

True. I agree. But I dunno about you, but most fights ARE already around objectives in Orvr. Most fights I've been in the last 3 months have been at objectives.