Debolstering - Is it fun for everyone?

[hamsteritas]

I believe that butthurt people keenly seek the reason of their butthurt.
If they are killed by their peer - the peer must have had an advantage.
If they get killed on the run - the killer must have been spedhacking.
If they are killed by an AM/DoK - those friggin classes are OP and ought to be nerfed already.

My point is this: if the level of a debolstered enemy didn't show their actual level, but was visually brought down to 15/26 (or whatever the actual bolster pulls everyone up to) - the amount of crying would go down significantly.

[Gachimuchi]

I believe that butthurt people keenly seek the reason of their butthurt.
If they are killed by their peer - the peer must have had an advantage...

My point is this: if the level of a debolstered enemy didn't show their actual level, but was visually brought down to 15/26 (or whatever the actual bolster pulls everyone up to) - the amount of crying would go down significantly.

+1. Its the nature of most of the playerbase that participates in oRvR zerging to not accept personal failures as actually being their fault. When a side loses in a massive blob vs massive blob fight, blame is diffused among so many its practically impossible to point a finger at anyone. So instead of directed criticism we end up with the people that go into advice or realm chat complaining about how their realm is ALWAYS so 'dumb and unorganized'. And the cause of why they were wiped is usually attributed to: having less numbers, other side has a guild premade... the list goes on. If it is even discussed.

When someone dies in a small oRvR engagement and they see one of the people that killed them(if not the only person that killed them) is higher level, of course they are going to cry about it. Its the only way they will validate their personal shortcomings in their own mind.

[Deadpoet]

Yep, it is too common to see ingame chat filled with complaints about how "destro/order is so dumb/can't play in a group/etc" I agree people should begin to think about how to do something about it THEMSELVES. (I guess many of the people who rage and whine when they lose end up Xrealming to the zerging realm, which is sad imho)

There is only one thing I don't agree with when you refer to "their personal shortcomings"

This, with its positive and negative sides to it, it's a GROUP PLAY game.People who don't have a guild or any usual teammates with voice communication playing in unorganized warbands or sc parties will ALWAYS lose against premades of experienced, coordinated players. They can be extremely skilled and good at playing this game, but they wil always lose even if the players in the premade he or she is fighting are worse players than they are.

I am not a social person and like to be on my own. I consider myself quite a decent player, and in chance solo encounters or smallscale I usually do fine. I ahve lots of experience now, but I know that when I play in RvR or a sc against premades it doesnt matter how many people are fighting in your side. First of all everybody runs around doing what they want, scattered and helpless. Some of my teammates will be dps tanks who wil never guard, unexperienced or no healers at all, suicide mdps who will die 17 times and whine about no one else pushing, while the opposition is focusing the same newer players again and again to farm easy medallions and renown.

I'll admit that I have a "personal shortcoming" I don't like being in an organized group. But I never complain. I just accept the fact that I will never be able to perform at the best level in this group play game. It's the price I play for preferring to be on my own. Some people go around this and play good solo classes. I just wanted to point out that it isn't that simple.

[Tesq]

I 100% saw a level 35 magus and 35 AM with level 31 green gear and 28 T3 RvR gear. So it might just be a few people who really are ruining it for quite a few. I know I didn't spend much free time in T2 til I recently got 3 long time friends to play and I got a little curious that some people for "performing" really really well for some reason lol.

But I hope you are right Shadow, and that it clears up a bit when T4 comes out. Lord knows we are all doing whatever we can to pass the time, most of us are productive and helpful, some... are douches haha. I guess I would also add that this is no way an incentive to speed up T4 coming as I'm glad it is taking its time so its release is as smooth as possible .

are you sure is not just appereance in some cases?

[Gachimuchi]

This, with its positive and negative sides to it, it's a GROUP PLAY game.People who don't have a guild or any usual teammates with voice communication playing in unorganized warbands or sc parties will ALWAYS lose against premades of experienced, coordinated players. They can be extremely skilled and good at playing this game, but they wil always lose even if the players in the premade he or she is fighting are worse players than they are.

I've seen bad premades lose to pugs. It occurs sometimes when some good players happen upon on the same team in a scenario.

I'll admit that I have a "personal shortcoming" I don't like being in an organized group. But I never complain. I just accept the fact that I will never be able to perform at the best level in this group play game. It's the price I play for preferring to be on my own. Some people go around this and play good solo classes. I just wanted to point out that it isn't that simple.

It is that simple. A group is composed of 6 players. A player may not be able to improve the other 5 players, but they can always improve themselves. A group/wb is only as great as the sum of its parts. All the little things add up.

[Otteleta]

Reading this post has restored my faith in the community in that people understand how debolster works and the endless ignorance that exists. However the ignorant masses don't come here....

I have a debolstered AM (dressed in bright orange!) called Archleta in T2 that gets brought out when Destro is zerging pvdoor and endlessly flipping zones with zero opposition.

Apparently pvdoor is fun and should not be interrupted as per the toxic hate tells I get that range from questioning my parentage to saying I cant cut it in T3.

I find it fun as do my guild mates that join me as taking on 1+wb with a 6 man and winning is a hoot. I also find it fun taking down the names of the ignorant and then farming them in T3 when they get there as all they know how to do is zerg and attack npc's.

Having a 6 man in vent coordinating punts and cc and focus firing is what beats the zerg not some made up illusion that I am cheating. I'm even happy for people to inspect my toon!

[Renork]

Debolster is still a relatively new feature, so it's going to have a couple of bugs that need to be sorted out. If you don't like it, don't debolster. No one forces you to play the lower tiers if you don't want to.

[Razid1987]

Debolster is still a relatively new feature, so it's going to have a couple of bugs that need to be sorted out. If you don't like it, don't debolster. No one forces you to play the lower tiers if you don't want to.

Well, not exactly true. You still have to be there between level 13 and 26 Unless you want to do SC / PvE all the way ^^

[Renork]

Debolster is still a relatively new feature, so it's going to have a couple of bugs that need to be sorted out. If you don't like it, don't debolster. No one forces you to play the lower tiers if you don't want to.

Well, not exactly true. You still have to be there between level 13 and 26 Unless you want to do SC / PvE all the way ^^

Problem and solution in the same sentence, me like :^)

[Deadpoet]

Having a 6 man in vent coordinating punts and cc and focus firing is what beats the zerg

This.

Older players know this and farm newer ones time after time picking them 1 by 1 in the right order or simply bombing them en masse.

Newer players haven’t realized this, and believe that they are in a group because there are other 5 people in their party window, and in a warband because there are other 23 people too. So they each fight their own WAR thinking they are playing in a warband and end up being easily slaughtered by much smaller numbers. After a few disasters they start blaming each other, blaming debolster, blaming realm bias, etc. It takes some time for some people to get the hang of the game, and in the same way that they are clueless playing the game they are clueless when it comes to look for the reason why they get stomped. A lot of nonsense comes up in ingame chat because of this.
Debolster is not the problem. People have to start accepting that this is a group oriented game and you either get organized with other people or you face almost permanent defeat (OK once in a blue moon the premade is really bad and the pug group contains some experienced and skilled and geared players, but don’t hold your breath for such conjunctions of the stars:^^)

But if you still think that improving yourself will make your “party” successful even though your “teammates” scatter around the place/suicide constantly/are in a sc/afk/don’t guard/can’t heal/can’t read etc etc etc, well, I can only tell you that in a game where you rely not only on yourself but on other people nothing is as simple as you might wish. We do agree on one thing though, people should stop blaming things like debolster and raging and whining and look at what they can do to improve (getting organized is my suggestion)

Ofc, if you want to shine outside a group, you only have to roll one of the bs easymode solo classes, but, as they constantly remind us in these forums, 1v1 doesn’t count.