KD duration for balance or loss of flavour

[Gobtar]

WE/WH can have tremendous sustained damage if they spec for it, especially in tier 4. WEs really shine now with Witch Brew, they are an incredibly competitive choice and they don't even have their crit tactic yet. .

Even if this wasn't the case in a group scenario shouldn't it be the tanks KDing for the MDPS not the other way around?

[TenTonHammer]

once again if you shorten kds will you also shorten immunity timers?

[Gobtar]

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On the subject of immunities. 1s per CC = 10 seconds of immunities. I believe any changes to KD would be reflected by this rule.

I would certainly hope so, I would revert immunites to reflect the 10s immuniter per each second of CC. WH/WE KDs have a 20s CD, now if you are fighting the same target you can use it on said target as soon as it comes of CD to full effect.

[Penril]

What about 4sec silences, would you give a 40 sec immunity? That is too much.

[Tklees]

as someone who mains WH/WE, we don't need 3 seconds. That change made insta gibbing people a joke and completely removed the choice of 2s kd vs 3 sec silence or 4 sec Disarm

I dont think a WH/WE can compete in terms of sustained damage with the other melee options, i think having an extra second on KD and extra burst kinda defines the class on the burst niche, if that fails, you disengage and goodbye.

You dont choose because you are always speccing for KD, if you dont spec for it, then the choice is based on attacking a caster or a melee person.

Of course a KD is better than a silence or disarm, duh.

you say you don't think they can compete in terms of sustained damage I am telling you, from my literal now 6 years playing WH/WE, that they can. And yes you do choose. One thing I learned from dueling, over 200 times each, Osiris (dps dok) and Nydig (WE) is that you are constantly weighing options of what to use on what target to better handle the current situation. The less variety you play with the more predictable you become and being a predictable WH/WE is as good as being dead in this game.

[Gobtar]

What about 4sec silences, would you give a 40 sec immunity? That is too much.

I meant strictly for KDs, not sure what rules apply for silences.

[bloodi]

you say you don't think they can compete in terms of sustained damage I am telling you, from my literal now 6 years playing WH/WE, that they can. And yes you do choose. One thing I learned from dueling, over 200 times each, Osiris (dps dok) and Nydig (WE) is that you are constantly weighing options of what to use on what target to better handle the current situation. The less variety you play with the more predictable you become and being a predictable WH/WE is as good as being dead in this game.

I cannot figure what to respond to this besides, cool? I guess?

Because yeah, lets agree to disagree on sustained damage but the duel argument... I dont even know what are you trying to say.

Being predictable is as good as being dead and football is simple game where men chase a ball for 90 minutes and Germany always wins?

Because even with 2 seconds, a kd, group wise, is a much better option in 90% of the cases.

[Tklees]

you say you don't think they can compete in terms of sustained damage I am telling you, from my literal now 6 years playing WH/WE, that they can. And yes you do choose. One thing I learned from dueling, over 200 times each, Osiris (dps dok) and Nydig (WE) is that you are constantly weighing options of what to use on what target to better handle the current situation. The less variety you play with the more predictable you become and being a predictable WH/WE is as good as being dead in this game.

I cannot figure what to respond to this besides, cool? I guess?

Because yeah, lets agree to disagree on sustained damage but the duel argument... I dont even know what are you trying to say.

Being predictable is as good as being dead and football is simple game where men chase a ball for 90 minutes and Germany always wins?

Because even with 2 seconds, a kd, group wise, is a much better option in 90% of the cases.

except when the kd is 3 seconds and its on a tank. Which is what this thread is discussing. Your point was WH/WE need a 3 sec KD for sustained damage. I disagree with that point I stated why. I guess I can post screens of my WEs dps in the current witchbrew no kd spec if you would like? My point about the duels was to offer a solo perspective of why WH/WE also do not need a 3 second KD.

As to Germany always winning soccer wasn't the past world cup the first in like 25 years? Not that I care because I'm an unculterd american and love my Football.

[Gachimuchi]

I dont think a WH/WE can compete in terms of sustained damage with the other melee options

Then you obviously are clueless as to what you are talking about. Go watch bretin's steam for a sc or 2 while he's playing his witch elf and it will put any doubts of the sustained damage output of WE(I'd be suprised if WH wasn't similar) to rest.

[Jaycub]

How do I get on bretins payroll?