White lion Pounce

[StormX2]

You misread. That WAS what a WL could do. He made it so they could no longer do so.

i read this as, I implemented a nerf to keep WL from air pouncing, this was met with heavy backlash and was reverted

meaning,m a White Lion can currently use Pounce at any time, in the air, after a knockback, etc.

I implemented a nerf to Pounce which would have prevented it being used in mid-air and the backlash over this was extreme, so it was reverted.

did Aza mistype something? cus im certainly correct in reading this....

[Jaycub]

I'm just afraid pounce will be nerfed as a concession for buffing certain aspects of WL, becuase they were on live by many considered gimp/broken compared to the other MDPS. but with Az fixing certain bugs and the servers T4 enviroments being molded around the pre RR 90 patch it's hard to say till we get there.

I just really don't want to see WL getting things like inc healdebuff or something like say mara monstro defensive mechanic and pounce being nerfed to "balance it out". That's just homogenizing the MDPS classes to essentially all play the same with some flavor here and there.

I don't think anyone will have any big problems with things like keep walls / mid air pouncing becuase some good points have been brought up against them in this thread and probably ones before it, but putting any kind of CD or making the AP cost so high it might as well have a CD will kill the feel/playstyle of the class to the point where I personally would rather play the "gimped" version of WL if it meant playing with an unnerfed pounce.

[dirnsterer]

Yeah I think Pounce is a very good skill. And it should not be majorly nerfed in any big way. And if you just spam it, sure you do damage but you also exhaust AP quite a ton so it is not all unicorns and flowers. Only thing I have the problem with is the note of jumping so damn high as a wall. When there is an aspect for MDPS that should be used to achieve that.

[albionrare]

Why would it destroy the class to have a 5 sec cooldown? So you cant spam it? You still got charge, they can remove the dmg from pounce then instead bet you wont want that either.

[maggii]

...becuase they were on live by many considered gimp/broken compared to the other MDPS.

Which wasn't the case.

[dirnsterer]

But letting them spam it makes them look freaking hilarious.

[Toldavf]

It is true that the class has some pretty large weaknesses as dps go which is why I don't want to see pounce changed. Its a bit annoying when I play my rdps but not to the level I can't deal with it.

It's only really a problem solo that you can never run from a wl and its not a game based on solo balance so that's not really a factor just another annoyance.

For me lion has good easy assist dps, strong snaring capability and a big armour debuff but not allot past that. Their debuffing is very sub par and if the pet dies usualy their dps becomes pretty irrelevant.

[Tesq]

the only real problem with pounce is that it's suppose to be gap closer and not also an escape tool which is atm, a 5 CD would not in anyway make it badder offensively, hell you need to be super punt istantly to not be able to pounce back on the target and 5 sec are enough to put the burst wl need then pounce on another target. It can even be 2-3 sec if that's enough to not see jumping cats all over the place ignoring snare.... But that wont happen until mara will have a look at.

[Jaycub]

putting a CD on it would hinder it's offensive ability, as you wouldn't not be able to chain pounce to a target far away among other things. And why shouldn't it be used defensively? It's defensive nature is also completely situational and requires certain positioning to be present from the other team (high skillcap active plays / identifying situations and acting accordingly and being rewarded for that) Compare that to the mara who can just pop into monstro and shrug off armor pen which is always effective and never hindered by random elements whenever they need it up.

Pounce has a very hard counter that every tank on destro has access to and should ALWAYS be running... champions challenge. That can be used to hold the lion in place to kill him, or used to hold him in place so to save a team mate etc... BG also has access to 5 sec KD which again will **** a WL's world up esp if he pounced out of guard range. And again pounce goes to where the target was when the skill was activated, just running away is enough to get outside the 5ft range even if the WL has no snare on.

[Tesq]

you have right about CC thats exatly the solution i came up with when WL jump too much ; and also right about mara armor pen ignoreing, that's exatly why i stated " But that wont happen until mara will have a look at"