Shaman Discussion, more

[Nekkma]

Its a huge difference in ap economy, we change from "not using ap" to hhaving ap to spare and more, we can put a hot on two people and spam your most expensive ap spell and you would still not run out of it, without even mentioning Focused mind or the ap drain.

Its a tremendous buff to thhe tactic and remember, shamans are not thhe only class with acess to it.

Our most expensive heal (that is actually good, not counting GFI as spamming it would not be efficient healing) is the gheal anyway (65 ap) which is a guaranteed procc later when the crit chances rises. So hotting people up basically put the shaman in the same position, ap wise, as spamming gheal. EQB and DSU is 70 ap in total so it would not be possible to constantly spam hots without running out of ap (RB gives back 40).

Personally, I would rather change it to a percentage on spell activation and perhaps tweak the ap return a bit. As we approach rank 40, the double ap pots is sufficient to keep ap up outaide of gheal spam (gheal should not be spammable anyway).

[bloodi]

Our most expensive heal (that is actually good, not counting GFI as spamming it would not be efficient healing) is the gheal anyway (65 ap) which is a guaranteed procc later when the crit chances rises. So hotting people up basically put the shaman in the same position, ap wise, as spamming gheal. EQB and DSU is 70 ap in total so it would not be possible to constantly spam hots without running out of ap (RB gives back 40).
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No it does not, do the math.

You justs said that using 65 ap to get 40 back is the same as using 30 ap for the chance to get up to 240 ap back.

Its not the same at all, think about what you are ssaying.

[Penril]

RB proc on HoTs would be OP, basically giving healers an unlimited resource pool. We already have that problem with Dok/WP, we don't want to have it on the other healers too.

[Gobtar]

As i said multiple times, you gotta take into account what is feasible to code in the server, i am surely not the guy to ask but i am fairly certain that is at minimum, complicated to do.

Currently imo, the best option is a wild healing mirror for shaman.

Yeah I think so ...I would also like to see Pass it on proc off of Hot ticks (if that is feasible) I think it would make the tactic viable at that point. Anyway I don't think I can add anymore at this point. Back to writing!

[Nekkma]

How much a single hot would return in ap is irrelevant. What is relevant is the uptime of RB. It would be slightly higher with RB proccing of hots than spamming gheal. It would not mean unlimited ap as cycling hots on targets (if that is all you do) means -30 ap every 3 seconds (EQB and DSU), provided 100 percent uptime of RB.

I much rather let healers have good ap management/spam single target heals than gheal. In the case of shaman with many hoits it is the opposite.

[bloodi]

How much a single hot would return in ap is irrelevant..

Are you even serious.

Think about what you just said.

[Nekkma]

The best RB can ever give is constantly 40 ap per 3 sec, i.e. 100 percent up time. Your number of 240 is irrelevant because it assumes 100 % crit and that RB does not have an internal cd. Having 6 hots ticking does not mean 240x6 return of ap. The best you can ever get is 40 per 3 seconds and if the shaman is constantly healing the ap consumption is higher than that.

As I have already said I hardly even use RB but i find it ridiculous that people think this would be OP while at the same time seem to accept the retardness that is gheals and procs.

[Shadowgurke]

I am not really certain Wild healing even procss on hots but lets bite

It does proc from HoTs. I just double checked

On the discussion at hand, I also disagree with Resto Burst proccing on HoT ticks. Not because I think it would be OP, but it alters more than just the Shaman. AM does not have an AP problem, neither do Zealots and Runepriests. Especially the other two classes could have amazing passive procs on RB by using the HoT rituals.

[bloodi]

The best RB can ever give is constantly 40 ap per 3 sec, i.e. 100 percent up time. Your number of 240 is irrelevant because it assumes 100 % crit and that RB does not have an internal cd. Having 6 hots ticking does not mean 240x6 return of ap. The best you can ever get is 40 per 3 seconds and if the shaman is constantly healing the ap consumption is higher than that.

As I have already said I hardly even use RB but i find it ridiculous that people think this would be OP while at the same time seem to accept the retardness that is gheals and procs.

Oh god, i already explained it to you multiple times, this is the last. Pay attention.

First, you can have multiple hots at the same time, up to 5 people can be under your most basic hot and you clying it, whichh of course would not be optimal would give you a 100% uptime with just a 20% crit chance. Every time a hot crits, you get a proc, 5 different people have 5 different hots withh 20% crit, 1 of them is going to, statiscally, crit and give you the proc.

But lets go with a bit more crit, imagine you get to 50%, which is not hard to do at all. This means that if you have 5 gcds, 2 are used on putting hots on 2 people, If one of thhem doesnt crit, the other will, i know its not realistic but on average, it will happen, now you have 3 gcds to spare where you are still getting a proc every 3 secs while using any other skill, even damages ones.

So you changed a skill from giving 40 ap every gcd to give up to 150 (i somehow put this based on 24 secss durations on my former post, the point iss still the same however) while you are free to use any spell you want in your arssenal and sstill gain ap, just by hotting 2 people.

So no, its nor irrelevant, no its in no way the same and if you cannot see it, well, its that hard to figure out.

It does proc from HoTs. I just double checked.

Yeah i was not sure if it didnt or i just didnt bother if it did or not because of the constant uptime.

[Nameless]

for me is clear that only nekkma really know what he is talking about
by spaming gheal you can keep constant rb uptime which reward mindless gheal spam
if changed to proc on hots rb will still have constant uptime but instead of mindless gheal will reward ST healing.
That is the main difference you want to reward mindless group heal spam or ST heal
both ways RB could be up 100% of the time so nothing changes beside giving players more iniciative to use ST heals aka hots!

ps the free gcd that rb would give you by procing from hots is how you make the hybrid nature of shamans matters at all.