Go for da soft Spot/Relentless Strike

[Bozzax]

I know you have a heavily modded UI coz i've seen your Youube videos, how about we remove all those addons, coz they don't give you any advantage in the game right????

This.

Buffhead with the right settings is far more advantageous than NB.

+1

[Razid1987]

As far as I remember teleports were explicitly mentioned in the terms of use of WAR.

It was an extreme example...

If sth costs money it is not fair because not everybody can obtain it. Period.

So by that logic, none of us should be using our computers. No mouse, no monitors, no keyboard, no nothing. Or even better, if you could only afford a 50$ mouse, and I paid 100$ for mine, would I then be cheating?

Is it me or has this post completely gotten off topic?

You're right. We should get back on topic.

[DefinitelyNotWingz]

As far as I remember teleports were explicitly mentioned in the terms of use of WAR.

It was an extreme example...

Not going to do your work, give a valid example or let go of you previous claims.

If sth costs money it is not fair because not everybody can obtain it. Period.

So by that logic, none of us should be using our computers. No mouse, no monitors, no keyboard, no nothing.
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If you are playing RoR you have a PC or sth similar, internet, a keyboard and hopefully a mouse.
The quality of that stuff is different which means it can be considered unfair.
BUT the fact that you want to compete in an online game with people with superior hardware can be seen as some kind of agreement on those disadvantages. No one is forced to play RoR.
If your PC sucks and you want total equality you can play Heroes of Might and Magic 3.

Having a game without hacks and exploitabuse is sth different.

[normanis]

so if nerfed buttons is cheating than, kobs/chosen twister auras also is cheating. without it those both clases run with 1 aura (old war). also miracle grow is also cheating because system replace seeds in your place u just click with mouse on addon. and that 1 what makes talismans + potions ( addon) is also cheating. because u can make tham even in run or in comabt (pve). using addosn is than cheating
i think for those ppl who whant play fair need to attack enemy with same strenght. not farm lowbies with echalon/sentry armor. and make tons videos where they smash newcomers to this game.
some clases in this game are tons useful skills like black guard. i dont have 20 fingers in 1 arm to smash all buttons. maby some ppl have

[Jaycub]

I hearthly agree with all Razids well thought posts. Same with Vigfuss.

It's an MMO, you need to have couple of bars with everything that you'd need to use and pick those abilities/items by yourself. That's a skill factor, to quickly decide what's the most optimal ability to click in next GCD, thinking in split seconds by Just Yourself.

At the same time, reading posts from players defending NB is like watching a good movie, so entertaining. I know you got used to just one action bar, it's tidy and all that good stuff, but that addon is unfair and I don't know why you don't see it yet.
Lots of arguments with MMO mouse. Not every player has one and from what I do remember they cost more from regular good ones, but everyone with 2 clicks has an access to NB.

Even if say everyone used NB and had the holy grail skill sequence for their class/spec, and the addon worked perfectly without any hiccups like it currently does here... There would still be a huge disparity of skill between players. More so than mechanical skill and game knowledge of your class and others that allows you to decide what abilities to use there are things that I think play an even larger role that seperate good and bad players.

WAR at it's core is not played on the individual level, and no matter how good you are at your class you cannot succeed (carry bads) by yourself. Communication and using that information as a team is probably the most important thing in this game. The difference between a well coordinated 6 man in teamspeak and a group of pugs is tremendous. Voice comms allows say your healers to instantly inform everyone if they are in range of heals, what is in the backlines, respond if a push is a good idea. It allows DPS to inform who is the main target, when burst is going to be dropped, tanks can call out certain important CC such as a punted tank, everyone can coordinate morales, tanks can tell DPS when they are out of guard range etc... All things that virtually never happen in pugs and only scratch the surface of what can be done with voice comms. A lot of things also fall under this umbrella of "how well do you respond/act on information given to you... the best example is probably positioning.

Secondly group composition is extremely important in this game and is another huge factor to success. PUG groups do not have the luxury of building a certain group comp and queing with it, same goes for ORvR with open groups/WB's it is just a luck of the draw.

I'm not trying to defend nerfed buttons, I only stand to gain from it being removed because I don't rely on it. But I think so many people here think it is some kind of miracle program that is making people into gods and is the cause of all their misery... "I just got owned by a sorc and I'm pretty sure that ****** was using nerfed buttons!".

[DefinitelyNotWingz]

But I think so many people here think it is some kind of miracle program that is making people into gods and is the cause of all their misery... "I just got owned by a sorc and I'm pretty sure that ****** was using nerfed buttons!".

Half the population even thinks that NB is bypassing gcd....... people that played the game for years......

[roadkillrobin]

So investment in time, setting up UI, money to buy hardware and 3d party communcation applications makes it fair use coz you invested in it???
Thing is I also learned to play this game with default UI I was probobly around rr70 on live before i started using any mods. I started using addons coz i wanted a more clear view of what goin on. And they HELPED me become a much better player.
And the addons i'm talking about here is Squared, Enemy, Pure and Buffhead. Those addon have given me more advantages
then NB ever could. So if you wanna ban addons from my subjective opinion that gives moast advantages. It's those.

[Scrilian]

Well standard WAR UI is a clusterfuck even if you move around parts of it, so pretty much roadkillrobin mentioned addons are a must for any kind of competitive play.
I personally use NB on my slayer in a simple Spine Crusher / Pulverizing Strike setup and wouldn't miss it if its gone and would not even bother setting it up for WH/BW.

[Azarael]

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Generally correct. My problem is not that NB is some special program that very few people have access to. My problem is that, as you've already admitted, the potential for individual skill in this game is low, and part of that is because there exist a plethora of addons and commands (not just NB) which are there to make the game easier and to remove possibilities to make a mistake.

MMOs seem to be the only genre in which you are entitled to modify almost everything your client does in order to gain meta advantage. I don't particularly mind addons which compensate for flaws in the original game's layout, but I do mind ones which go above and beyond the call of duty. Twister, use of NB for positional checks and to block accidental usage of abilities in unfavourable conditions (such as against immunities) and interface addons which filter information for you and display it way too conveniently are all examples of ridiculousness.

[Jaycub]

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Generally correct. My problem is not that NB is some special program that very few people have access to. My problem is that, as you've already admitted, the potential for individual skill in this game is low, and part of that is because there exist a plethora of addons and commands (not just NB) which are there to make the game easier and to remove possibilities to make a mistake.

MMOs seem to be the only genre in which you are entitled to modify almost everything your client does in order to gain meta advantage. I don't particularly mind addons which compensate for flaws in the original game's layout, but I do mind ones which go above and beyond the call of duty. Twister, use of NB for positional checks and to block accidental usage of abilities in unfavourable conditions (such as against immunities) and interface addons which filter information for you and display it way too conveniently are all examples of ridiculousness.

While removing all those things would create a higher skill gap, the ceiling remains the same... it would just be harder to achieve.

A trinity based game is going to inevitably not allow for someone to carry/show out, but there are a lot of things that could be done to the current game to increase the skill ceiling if that is the direction the devs and the community would like to go. Ability tweaks, creating more situations where proper counter play is absolutely necessary, nerfing some overturned defensive mechanics, reworking some class mechanics, and creating more build/spec variety and freedom could go a long ways.


>interface addons which filter information for you and display it way too conveniently are all examples of ridiculousness.

Are you saying that buffhead with very autistic spell/ability filters is something you don't like?