[Warrior Priest]Absence of Faith

[ThePollie]

Erm.. why? Melee DoK is aggressive playstyle, I don't see why just because the DoK can do more damage than the WP then you should just buff melee WP damage, its the same as saying buff X healer because Y healer does more.

Thats an asinine and protectionist standpoint based upon an emotional attachment to one class. If you were detached the concept of balancing wouldnt be so abhorrent to you

Let's try and keep things civil, shall we.

And let's leave DoKs out of this thread. We're talking about potentially buffing a single mastery ability, not comparing mirrors.

[Ade]

Erm.. why? Melee DoK is aggressive playstyle, I don't see why just because the DoK can do more damage than the WP then you should just buff melee WP damage, its the same as saying buff X healer because Y healer does more.

Thats an asinine and protectionist standpoint based upon an emotional attachment to one class. If you were detached the concept of balancing wouldnt be so abhorrent to you

Not really, its just a point that mirroring classes makes the game boring imho. I have also stated that certain changes should not be given to the DoK and also changes to be made to buff the WP for the sake of balance, so maybe do some research first? Sorry to take it offtopic again but.. lets keep it ontopic now, just pm or something if you want to make it personal.

[peterthepan3]

Erm.. why? Melee DoK is aggressive playstyle, I don't see why just because the DoK can do more damage than the WP then you should just buff melee WP damage, its the same as saying buff X healer because Y healer does more.

Thats an asinine and protectionist standpoint based upon an emotional attachment to one class. If you were detached the concept of balancing wouldnt be so abhorrent to you

Not really, its just a point that mirroring classes makes the game boring imho. I have also stated that certain changes should not be given to the DoK and also changes to be made to buff the WP for the sake of balance, so maybe do some research first? Sorry to take it offtopic again but.. lets keep it ontopic now, just pm or something if you want to make it personal.

There's mirroring classes, and then there's giving both classes equal amounts of effective utility/options at their disposal. As it stands now, the DPS DOK is mountains above the DPS WP in terms of utility and damage. This thread attempts to alleviate this somewhat, and having the heal debuff equal to DoK's is something the WP is in dire need of. How you can oppose this escapes me.

[ThePollie]

There's mirroring classes, and then there's giving both classes equal amounts of effective utility/options at their disposal. As it stands now, the DPS DOK is mountains above the DPS WP in terms of utility and damage. This thread attempts to alleviate this somewhat, and having the heal debuff equal to DoK's is something the WP is in dire need of. How you can oppose this escapes me.

Then let's keep the discussion to the aforementioned ability, shall we? We can discuss other qualities later.

[Ade]

There's mirroring classes, and then there's giving both classes equal amounts of effective utility/options at their disposal. As it stands now, the DPS DOK is mountains above the DPS WP in terms of utility and damage. This thread attempts to alleviate this somewhat, and having the heal debuff equal to DoK's is something the WP is in dire need of. How you can oppose this escapes me.

I already stated in a previous thread that melee WP needs to be buffed, and that melee DoK is superior, I am not opposing it, I was making a point that seems to have been lost. I already said that the change to the heal debuff would be fine, if the suggested change was to make the heal debuff the EXACT same as the DoK one, I would oppose it just because classes should keep some form of identity, but like I said the heal debuff change would be good for the class, not sure what it is you think I'm trying to stop, but the changes suggested so far in this thread should be tested just as the deatunt was.

[peterthepan3]

There's mirroring classes, and then there's giving both classes equal amounts of effective utility/options at their disposal. As it stands now, the DPS DOK is mountains above the DPS WP in terms of utility and damage. This thread attempts to alleviate this somewhat, and having the heal debuff equal to DoK's is something the WP is in dire need of. How you can oppose this escapes me.

Then let's keep the discussion to the aforementioned ability, shall we? We can discuss other qualities later.

That is exactly why I mentioned the heal debuff several times?

Adell: why should the means of applying a 50% heal debuff have any bearing whatsoever? As it stands now, the WP HD doesn't even do any damage!

[TenTonHammer]

This is 7 days' notice of intent to trial. Get your arguments both for and against in.

7 days intent to trial after suggestion is made? Mean while 2H bgs waitng for their 10s CD back

Having said that i dont have any issues agiast this BUT if and only if it can be coded to be 2h only

[ThePollie]

Having said that i dont have any issues agiast this BUT if and only if it can be coded to be 2h only

I'm not against that, but I do question how likely a Salvation priest would be to try and run into the melee to debuff someone with that, without being blown up or getting someone killed by interrupting their healing.

[PartizanRUS]

Do you really think that only 1 ability made effective(healdebuff) will suddenly make whole Wrath tree viable ? It needs a complete remake and aoe detaunt tactic is obsolete right now.

[ThePollie]

Do you really think that only 1 ability made effective will suddenly make whole Wrath tree viable ? It needs a complete remake and aoe detaunt tactic is obsolete right now.

Quote one post that says this is going to make the entire spec viable.

Or better yet, post something constructive.