[Warrior Priest]Absence of Faith

[Bretin]

Why should a hybrid melee-HEALER also be given the 50% inc heal debuff which is the territory of pure mdps?

squig herder
shadow warrior
shaman
archmage
bright wizard
DoK

pure mdps, nice logic.

I see this as potentially problematic:

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... 4:;0:0:0:0:

My suggestion would to be just give WP the heal on crit that DoK has. Give them a new ability. That way Salv can't use it.

if this is a problem, make it require a 2h weapon. problem solved.

[Nameless]

shaman heal debuff is whole different story....

2h req is a good idea, i like it

[Bretin]

DoKs too. They're strong but they haven't taken MDPS jobs yet.

even tho this is offtopic: mdps DoK is a top tier dps class on destru side

[ThePollie]

Wrath has an advantage of its own, it can still use divine assault and sigmars radiance strike to prop them up.

No. No. Not even remotely. Without points in Grace, Radiance can heal for as little as 200 health per strike. Divine Assault is marginally better, but even then its healing is gimped enough that, at most, it negates a single DPS's damage during its affect. At best, it buys you time for someone to run interference, at worst it just delays you being killed by a few seconds, assuming it isn't parried, blocked, or flat out interrupted.

[Sigimund]

DoKs too. They're strong but they haven't taken MDPS jobs yet.

even tho this is offtopic: mdps DoK is a top tier dps class on destru side

Another reason to buff Wrath.

[Luranni]

Why should a hybrid melee-HEALER also be given the 50% inc heal debuff which is the territory of pure mdps?

squig herder
shadow warrior
shaman
archmage
bright wizard
DoK

pure mdps, nice logic.

I see this as potentially problematic:

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wp; ... 4:;0:0:0:0:

My suggestion would to be just give WP the heal on crit that DoK has. Give them a new ability. That way Salv can't use it.

if this is a problem, make it require a 2h weapon. problem solved.

I meant dps, not mdps with that regard, my bad.

Side note: I'd rather see something new and interesting given to hybrid healers than just copy pasting from pure dps.

EDIT: Or if not "new" per se, then something less-used elsewhere that could really define hybrid dps-healers on their own merits. Perhaps we could see a list of the less-used group buffs/debuffs or what else could be used, and debate the merits of all of the possibilities?

[Ade]

DoKs too. They're strong but they haven't taken MDPS jobs yet.

even tho this is offtopic: mdps DoK is a top tier dps class on destru side

Another reason to buff Wrath.

Erm.. why? Melee DoK is aggressive playstyle, I don't see why just because the DoK can do more damage than the WP then you should just buff melee WP damage, its the same as saying buff X healer because Y healer does more.

[Bretin]

I meant dps, not mdps with that regard, my bad.

Side note: I'd rather see something new and interesting given to hybrid healers than just copy pasting from pure dps.

but then again you have hd's on am/shaman/dok/zealot/rp. the only one with a lackluster one is the warrior priest. inventing something new will not guarantee that it will make him viable because it would require to test new stuff about how it fits to a metagame where the incoming healdebuff is the strongest debuff in the game. to kill a target through guard and double heal you need an healdebuff and an armor debuff. the third best debuff is a wounds debuff. in my OP i explained why a 50% ic hd would make the WP viable in almost all group setups and why it would allow other classes to spec different too.

[Bretin]

Erm.. why? Melee DoK is aggressive playstyle, I don't see why just because the DoK can do more damage than the WP then you should just buff melee WP damage, its the same as saying buff X healer because Y healer does more.

nobody is asking for more than a change to Absence of Faith and i would appreciate if we could just discuss this change and not several other changes.

[Ade]

Erm.. why? Melee DoK is aggressive playstyle, I don't see why just because the DoK can do more damage than the WP then you should just buff melee WP damage, its the same as saying buff X healer because Y healer does more.

nobody is asking for more than a change to Absence of Faith and i would appreciate if we could just discuss this change and not several other changes.

The change to make it 50% seems fine, but the early suggestion to make it require 2h I think would solve any future issue, hopefully it will add more diverse fights instead of the usual boring stuff.

My reply was just a point to sigmund, but yeah should stay on topic.