Return of Reckoning

WP autoattack 1778 non crittical damage.

Keep this in mind before creating a topic on the balance forum, and ask yourself if it will be a waste of time.

WP/DoKs have a pretty big Armor Debuff now. Also, looks like some investment into Armor penetration/weapon skill.

How much armor do you have? and toughness?

To put this in perspective, I have an MSH with a gearset with 5k armor. I had a WL hit me the other day where I only mitigated 7 damage lol. So either ARM penetration is out of control or something is wrong in the combat formula where Armor debuffs are calculated.

I've seen 2H slayers autoattack crit for over 3k, but no one accuses that spec of being overpowered.

i know this is either solo player or misinformed player QQ, or maybe just common forum ragebait, but i will still respond in an attempt to clarify just in case there are players reading this and falling for it.

first of all, this is normal. it's a 2h class (high swing damage, slow speed) with a 25% AA damage tactic (beacon of courage) and heavy ST armor debuff (vanquish). his build is full strength/armor pen/melee power (warlord/bloodlord) as well and using bloodlord weapon (4.2 speed, so massive damage but slow hitting by default). he could also be playing with IB for another 25% buff from there.

there's nothing wrong with the "balance" here. this is just simple mathematics, basic game functionality and scaling of a decent build on display. this is someone who is building around autoattacks for optimal burst damage, on a class which is fantastic for doing so. you could do this going back a long time, it's not new or surprising or indicative of poor balance.

other classes can do this too, even 1h classes. i'm often hitting for 1500+ combined noncrits (with an offhand attack proc of course, because that is how 1h vs 2h weapons are scaled) on my WH, SL and Marauder against targets who are armor debuffed. pretty much any melee is capable of this type of damage with autoattacks given the right build and situation, some are even able to exceed this amount of damage with noncrits.

How many of the other 23 careers do you want us to recreate this with?

Let's see what we have here.
It's obvious that the image was fabricated - we were fighting near the wc.
To achieve such absurd auto-attack damage without critical damage as WP, you would need approximately 200% damage bonus.

The first guy asked about armor and toughness, but this is displayed on the screen as mitigated damage, which indicates a certain lack of knowledge.
The second said that SLAYER CRITICALLY hit him for 3000 damage. In his world, this somehow proves that WP can deal 1770 NON-CRITICAL damage. Okay, proven.
The third guy brought up MATH and somehow managed to find a 65% damage bonus. 65% is roughly equal to 200%, mystery solved.

Conclusion? No matter how OP a class or ability may be, someone will always find a reason to say "It's okay, actually, I can do better", and often do.
Prove me wrong - go to the arena, take your WP, and deal 1770 damage to me without a crit. I'll give you, say, 500g if you can. Or we all can agree that dealing 9000 damage on the forum is pretty easy.
I'm just curious, at what point will people stop advocating absurd balance decisions - 2k dps? 5? We'll find out soon - stay tuned!

It is slightly absurd the current state of dps WP (well heal spec as well), more dangerous in small scale/1v1 than actual dps a lot of the time, particularly for certain classes. But as always you'll get told 1v1/small scale is irrelevant, so buffing an already op class/spec since live and making dps healers even better is fine.

sundey wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2025 12:02 amIt is slightly absurd the current state of dps WP (well heal spec as well), more dangerous in small scale/1v1 than actual dps a lot of the time, particularly for certain classes. But as always you'll get told 1v1/small scale is irrelevant, so buffing an already op class/spec since live and making dps healers even better is fine.

Yes so OP. Enjoy being kited by pretty much every RDPS, not even a knockdown to gain some momentum on the kiter.

These cllasses WP/DOk are the most easily disabled specs in the game 1vs1. They are pretty much locked to melee vs melee duels in a 1vs1.

bro what 1778 non crittical damage.
i see 863
are you drunk or tired?

Let's run some numbers.

A usual BIS 2hWP build (5 Warlord - 4 Vic) + 2 pc Genesis reaches 876 STR (1026 buffed) and also has 99 (Warlord 5pc) + 60 (Bloodlord) + 18 (Vic gloves) + 36 (genesis piece) = 213 melee Power. All in all, their DB will be (1026+213)/5 = 247.8

The AA damage formula before modifications is (wDps + 0.50*DB)*wSpeed
That number is then multiplied by both the Dmg% bonus (25% from Divine Fury tactic and 5% from Bloodlord weapon) and by the AA dmg% bonus (25% from Fanaticism tactic and potentially another 25% from an IB's Blood of Grimnir).

• No IB buff:
  (82.6 + 0.50*247.8)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.25 = 867 * 1.30 * 1.25 = 1409

• With IB buff:
  (82.6 + 0.50*247.8)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 867 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 1691

Even if we consider unconventional build adjustments from the WP's side, we still can't reach 1778:

Usually 2hWPs have crit talismans in the 3rd Jewelry slot and use linis offering crit (usually TOU+crit).
Swapping out the crit talisman to a +54 Melee Power tali and the liniment to Inevitable Tempest (STR +Melee Power) while also under an IB buff, we get:
(82.6 + 0.50*266.2)*4.2 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 906 * 1.30 * 1.50 = 1766

Close but no ciggar

As we can see, we are still off from the observed 1778 AA hit even with an IB buffed regular or unconventional BIS 2hWP.
But in this case, the 2h WP in question is not even in BIS gear (Warlord-Bloodlord mix). So something else is at play here.

The difference can be explained in the following ways:

• An incoming dmg tanken increase% on the target:
  E.g. from an Engi's Signal Flare or from a BW's 7pc Warlord proc
  

• A warcamp buff/debuff:
  Another commenter seems to imply that was the case and it could certainly explain the dmg increase.