Page 1 of 2
Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:16 pm
by Zxul
Here are the racial tactics of other races:
Dwarfs- 80 toughness and 1 sec cc reduction, great. 660 armor, also great. Even better together.
Empire- absorb tactic, very nice for sustain builds, for pug where healing is less available, etc.
High elf- 10% defenses bypass, good, and Centuries of Training decent for some extra dmg.
Greenskins- 160 wounds and crit dmg, or detaunt + speed buff, great.
Chaos- absorb tactic, and in addition Backlash which is nice on offspec builds.
And then you get to DE racial tactics:
10% more healing on direct heals, or small hot after killing an opponent.
Don't think anyone ever used those in history of AoR or RoR. All the other races have at least one decent racial tactic, DE have non.
Suggestions of what those can possibly be replaced with:
-Some kind of lifetap or ap drain proc, will fit the DE theme.
-Chance to drain some armor+resists from opponent into the DE, once again fits the DE theme.
-Or just copy paste high elf tactics into DE, and high elfs can have DE racial tactics on top of theirs for free.
For those that say that DE have good class tactics, you can't use more than 4, so if DE wants to use a racial tactic he will have to give up a class one.
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:15 pm
by Avernus
Zxul wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:16 pm
Here are the racial tactics of other races:
Dwarfs- 80 toughness and 1 sec cc reduction, great. 660 armor, also great. Even better together.
Empire- absorb tactic, very nice for sustain builds, for pug where healing is less available, etc.
High elf- 10% defenses bypass, good, and Centuries of Training decent for some extra dmg.
Greenskins- 160 wounds and crit dmg, or detaunt + speed buff, great.
Chaos- absorb tactic, and in addition Backlash which is nice on offspec builds.
And then you get to DE racial tactics:
10% more healing on direct heals, or small hot after killing an opponent.
Don't think anyone ever used those in history of AoR or RoR. All the other races have at least one decent racial tactic, DE have non.
Suggestions of what those can possibly be replaced with:
-Some kind of lifetap or ap drain proc, will fit the DE theme.
-Chance to drain some armor+resists from opponent into the DE, once again fits the DE theme.
-Or just copy paste high elf tactics into DE, and high elfs can have DE racial tactics on top of theirs for free.
For those that say that DE have good class tactics, you can't use more than 4, so if DE wants to use a racial tactic he will have to give up a class one.
As HE player i can say that both HE tactics are quite niche and, aside from 10% defence bypass for dps AM, their usefullness is vary from being useful in very specific situation to being complete garbage.
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 3:53 pm
by Zxul
Avernus wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:15 pm
Zxul wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:16 pm
Here are the racial tactics of other races:
Dwarfs- 80 toughness and 1 sec cc reduction, great. 660 armor, also great. Even better together.
Empire- absorb tactic, very nice for sustain builds, for pug where healing is less available, etc.
High elf- 10% defenses bypass, good, and Centuries of Training decent for some extra dmg.
Greenskins- 160 wounds and crit dmg, or detaunt + speed buff, great.
Chaos- absorb tactic, and in addition Backlash which is nice on offspec builds.
And then you get to DE racial tactics:
10% more healing on direct heals, or small hot after killing an opponent.
Don't think anyone ever used those in history of AoR or RoR. All the other races have at least one decent racial tactic, DE have non.
Suggestions of what those can possibly be replaced with:
-Some kind of lifetap or ap drain proc, will fit the DE theme.
-Chance to drain some armor+resists from opponent into the DE, once again fits the DE theme.
-Or just copy paste high elf tactics into DE, and high elfs can have DE racial tactics on top of theirs for free.
For those that say that DE have good class tactics, you can't use more than 4, so if DE wants to use a racial tactic he will have to give up a class one.
As HE player i can say that both HE tactics are quite niche and, aside from 10% defence bypass for dps AM, their usefullness is vary from being useful in very specific situation to being complete garbage.
HE racial are indeed far from greatest, but at least they are situationally/ specific build useful, and you can always fall back on Centuries of Training for a bit extra dmg. DE racial tactics, I can't think of a single situation/ build in which you would even want to use them.
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:46 pm
by Rapzel
Too bad you have EVERY other good tactic.
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:57 pm
by Zxul
Rapzel wrote: Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:46 pm
Too bad you have EVERY other good tactic.
Interesting, I didn't knew. Mind elaborating?
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:30 pm
by Sinisterror
There are changes needed for many kind of "Shared" Tactics. Like Restoration Burst should be changed for Wp/Dok to Restore Righteous Fury/Soul Essence instead of AP. Useless tactic and 0 people has ever used it on Dok/Wp but its must have for all other healers and probably would be must for dok/wp if it was changed from Ap to Essence.
Change Dark Blessings to 10% Increased Direct dmg.
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:50 am
by Avernus
Sinisterror wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:30 pm
Change Dark Blessings to 10% Increased Direct dmg.
I don't even want to think about WE and sorc with this tactic available. Just no.
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:08 am
by Sinisterror
Avernus wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:50 am
Sinisterror wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:30 pm
Change Dark Blessings to 10% Increased Direct dmg.
I don't even want to think about WE and sorc with this tactic available. Just no.
Yeah its a bit much : D Would love that on dps dok,Sorc and Welf. I quess some kind of Pilfer like dot/hot that steals 150hp (true dmg) and returns 150hp. 10% chance on hit to activate 6s dot that also has instant dmg/heal. if not true dmg then Spirit dmg at least.
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 11:19 am
by Zxul
Avernus wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:50 am
Sinisterror wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:30 pm
Change Dark Blessings to 10% Increased Direct dmg.
I don't even want to think about WE and sorc with this tactic available. Just no.
WE already has several 15% Increased Direct dmg tactics (Taste of Blood, etc), and yet currently does lot less dmg than other dps classes.
Sorc, besides must have tactics (Vision of Domination, Shadow of Disaster), will have to sacrifice something else which will be equal to the 10% gained- say Chilling Gusts, so there is a good question if 10% more dmg will even be worth it.
Re: Buff DE racial tactics.
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:29 pm
by Avernus
Sinisterror wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:08 am
Avernus wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:50 am
Sinisterror wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:30 pm
Change Dark Blessings to 10% Increased Direct dmg.
I don't even want to think about WE and sorc with this tactic available. Just no.
Yeah its a bit much : D Would love that on dps dok,Sorc and Welf. I quess some kind of Pilfer like dot/hot that steals 150hp (true dmg) and returns 150hp. 10% chance on hit to activate 6s dot that also has instant dmg/heal. if not true dmg then Spirit dmg at least.
If its a healing+damage its not supposed to be stronger (damage-wise) than centuries of training (which is just crappy spirit dot by itself - questionable but possible for defregen or AoE pepe SM or AoE WL, maybe zerg surfer SW). Don't think that anyone but def WE or def BG would even consider this tactic then.