IB mechanical grudge

[hogun]

since the modification of grudge generation, the IBs have taken on a very big nerf that the BG doesn't have.

As a reminder, it seems that grudge can now only be earned at 5pts/gcd, whatever the source (Oath freind or not).
BG doesn't have this problem because it can compensate with skill who bypass gcd( Enraged Beating )and has always found it easier to hate ( small différence with IB to generate )

Could you please fix the bug/choice? its unbalance for sur !

[Jajcek12]

I knew it was somthing wrong.
But i didnt have tools to gather evidance for this(bug???).
I have been hited from multiple targets and got only 5 grudges.
Ther wasn't anything about change in Patch note so we could suspect that its "Bug"
Or im just noob and read the abbilities discription- and not expect that they are/works differend then it written in their discription.

Ps: on the start of the patch ther was problem with Avalanche who activates only in pve area- but now its ok.

[hogun]

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[Ironbreaker] Weird grudges cooldown
[Tous les projets] General - 2024-01-17 07:51

it was posted in bug but no news

[Mortgrimm]

Yes, the problem atm is u have to run both grudge generating tactics in small scale (and not only there) if u wanna benefit from the grudge scaling abilities.
This is kinda stupid and should be adjusted. Okay, if u never use any buffs it´s maybe okay after a while. Still u are not able to use the full potential IB could have as it stays like this.

[Avernus]

1. since the modification of grudge generation, the IBs have taken on a very big nerf that the BG doesn't have.

2. As a reminder, it seems that grudge can now only be earned at 5pts/gcd, whatever the source (Oath freind or not).
BG doesn't have this problem because it can compensate with skill who bypass gcd( Enraged Beating )and has always found it easier to hate ( small différence with IB to generate )

3. Could you please fix the bug/choice? its unbalance for sur !

1. It does.
2. 3pts when above hight 60+ or something for BG now, can't remember for sure. Yes, enraged beating does help - if your crit chance is high enough. Its not? Welcome to the club. The reason for BG to have it better is the fact that your toolkit is a bit more spammy than IB's
3. Fix for both classes would be nice, yes...

[Detangler]

But guys, who cares about grudge mechanics and how IBs are never at full grudges. Heavy Blow did, like, a lot of damage or something so it HAD to be nerfed.

[hogun]

But guys, who cares about grudge mechanics and how IBs are never at full grudges. Heavy Blow did, like, a lot of damage or something so it HAD to be nerfed.

friend, are you sure you know what you're saying? just because it was the biggest damage of the IB doesn't mean it's a skill that does a lot of damage!

these are pre-patch logs . so it's before the grudge nerf. you can now divide the damage by 2 probably.

248 hp average with my off tank dmg with 950+ in str full buff ...
37 hp average with my def tank ....

it's not the maximum stat you can reach with HB, I'm not specialized in it, so you can do more, but not enormously more, so it never becomes an unbalanced skill compared to all the BG skills that may not be detaunt with tactics. compared to chosen magique dmg or compared to BO amazing Dmg !

[Detangler]

But guys, who cares about grudge mechanics and how IBs are never at full grudges. Heavy Blow did, like, a lot of damage or something so it HAD to be nerfed.

friend, are you sure you know what you're saying? just because it was the biggest damage of the IB doesn't mean it's a skill that does a lot of damage!

these are pre-patch logs . so it's before the grudge nerf. you can now divide the damage by 2 probably.

248 hp average with my off tank dmg with 950+ in str full buff ...
37 hp average with my def tank ....

it's not the maximum stat you can reach with HB, I'm not specialized in it, so you can do more, but not enormously more, so it never becomes an unbalanced skill compared to all the BG skills that may not be detaunt with tactics. compared to chosen magique dmg or compared to BO amazing Dmg !

Guess I should have clearly labeled it "SARCASM..."

[hogun]

yes, sorry my english is very bad,

[nat3s]

Ironic that IB has weaker grudge generation than the BG equivalent mechanic given thematically, dwarfs are all about grudges in Warhammer lore.

There's no escaping that IB is weaker than BG, improving grudge generation may help bridge the gap somewhat, but the biggest difference for me in small scale is the fact IBs face shamans and BGs face AMs. A BG can get on top of an AM, an IB even with the root M1 will get kited to oblivion by a shaman and that can't really be fixed.