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Pahakukka
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Snipe-engibitz!

Post#1 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:02 pm


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some quick peek of my most recent engi adventures for those who are into these!
using different setups, mostly different combinations of triumphant, offsov and warlord. Usually high WS.
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Deawuur rr8x engineer
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#2 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:05 pm

Pahakukka wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:02 pm
Click here to watch on YouTube
some quick peek of my most recent engi adventures for those who are into these!
using different setups, mostly different combinations of triumphant, offsov and warlord. Usually high WS.
Love it :-) Thank you for keeping the Engie Banner flying :-)
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lumpi33
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#3 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:14 pm

Nice job dude.

To be fair, he is the best 1:1 engi on the server, in best possible sniper gear. Triumphant ring, BL weapon, two onyx WS rings with armor pen. https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 403/armory

He is mostly fighting lowbies with 700+ WS, almost no toughness, low crit and 8k health.

If you wanna see him hitting equally geared sov targets then look at 2:07 (snezhana sov def WE) and 3:08 (Mournbrand, almost sov tank) in the combat log. That's not so impressive and these fights were not in the video.

Good job though.

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Pahakukka
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#4 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:52 pm

@paxsanarion Thanks!
@lumpii some of destros in Clip are Tad low, but i wouldt Call then lowbies. Defensive builds on general are very tough for snipe spec. Tanks can get crazy high Dodge/block (now Parry counts too for snare) and regen WE does what regen WE wants really. Havent figured counter on that outside of trying to disrupt RA for take edge out of that burst(dunno If RA dump is a thing still tho) toughness debuff might help a bit.

Its Been great fun with snipe engi tho. Will work on that burst and maybe someday i might Be able to burst some def specced toons down.
Tinbitz rr8x BO
Daewuur rr8x Magus
Deawuur rr8x engineer
+ lots of rr50-60 toons, including 1 healer!

-"renown pinata for small groups"

Zxul
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#5 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:08 am

Pahakukka wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:52 pm and regen WE does what regen WE wants really. Havent figured counter on that outside of trying to disrupt RA for take edge out of that burst(dunno If RA dump is a thing still tho) toughness debuff might help a bit.
Have you tried dwarf racial corp resist tactic? Corp resist mitigates WB just fine, as well as Enfeebling Strike/Kisses (their other sources of dmg), and WE doesn't has any way to debuff resists. The tactic alone is 15% less dmg, get total corp mitigation to 40% and its a major dump in WE's dmg, since having no str or ws their physical attacks won't do that much vs engi with self buff/armor pot.
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lumpi33
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#6 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:59 am

Zxul wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:08 am
Pahakukka wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:52 pm and regen WE does what regen WE wants really. Havent figured counter on that outside of trying to disrupt RA for take edge out of that burst(dunno If RA dump is a thing still tho) toughness debuff might help a bit.
Have you tried dwarf racial corp resist tactic? Corp resist mitigates WB just fine, as well as Enfeebling Strike/Kisses (their other sources of dmg), and WE doesn't has any way to debuff resists. The tactic alone is 15% less dmg, get total corp mitigation to 40% and its a major dump in WE's dmg, since having no str or ws their physical attacks won't do that much vs engi with self buff/armor pot.
It's an interesting idea and it might be worth switching to such a tactic set when you know you gonna get jumped by a def WE. However, you need to know before because in every other situation it is pretty useless and smarter def WEs will just stagger or vanish and walk away when they can't win or jump you in groups.

I've just noticed that he is using expert skirmisher. He fully comitted to 1:1 fights assuming that they will come close at one point. The expert skirmisher with focused mind m2 as backup when they stay ranged is a nice combo. He knows his 1:1 stuff :) Snipe with 1.5s :) It has limited use in other situations tho.

Zxul
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#7 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:30 am

lumpi33 wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:59 am It's an interesting idea and it might be worth switching to such a tactic set when you know you gonna get jumped by a def WE. However, you need to know before because in every other situation it is pretty useless and smarter def WEs will just stagger or vanish and walk away when they can't win or jump you in groups.
Might be worth seeing if it is possible for fit it in permanently for roaming, since switching tactics specially vs WE usually isn't realistic. Def WE might be only 1 type of enemy, but its a very common enemy. As a bonus, it also helps vs sh's Poison Arrer and vs some sorc abilities.

Not sure about sniper tree, but on mid tree main magus I make sure to load up on dots before going direct dmg. By the time WHs notice the health starting to drop fast, they have 6 dots on them. GL vanishing.

lumpi33 wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:59 am I've just noticed that he is using expert skirmisher. He fully comitted to 1:1 fights assuming that they will come close at one point. The expert skirmisher with focused mind m2 as backup when they stay ranged is a nice combo. He knows his 1:1 stuff :) Snipe with 1.5s :) It has limited use in other situations tho.
Back on live I used on magus CQ+sniper tree as well. Problem is here that because of 1.5 sec icd only BoC/Snipe fully benefit from it, so there are a better options.
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#8 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:02 am

lumpi33 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:14 pm Nice job dude.

To be fair, he is the best 1:1 engi on the server, in best possible sniper gear. Triumphant ring, BL weapon, two onyx WS rings with armor pen. https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 403/armory

He is mostly fighting lowbies with 700+ WS, almost no toughness, low crit and 8k health.

If you wanna see him hitting equally geared sov targets then look at 2:07 (snezhana sov def WE) and 3:08 (Mournbrand, almost sov tank) in the combat log. That's not so impressive and these fights were not in the video.

Good job though.
That's nowhere near the best Sniper spec build. Soft cap BS, 45% crit chance, 62% base armour pen (84% with turret debuff and 109% with Armor-Piercing Rounds) is what I've built for my spec.. 8.5k wounds. It even has some FS thrown in and keg. It's also versatile as an AOE spec because you can drop the investment in renown in WS and focus it onto crit/wounds/whatever. And you still have a good amount of WS to fall back on your rifle abilities if you need to.
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#9 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:11 am

lumpi33 wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:59 am It's an interesting idea and it might be worth switching to such a tactic set when you know you gonna get jumped by a def WE. However, you need to know before because in every other situation it is pretty useless and smarter def WEs will just stagger or vanish and walk away when they can't win or jump you in groups.

I've just noticed that he is using expert skirmisher. He fully comitted to 1:1 fights assuming that they will come close at one point. The expert skirmisher with focused mind m2 as backup when they stay ranged is a nice combo. He knows his 1:1 stuff :) Snipe with 1.5s :) It has limited use in other situations tho.
There's no point to FM at 1.5s CD. That's the same time as the GCD. All it functions as at that point is a root/snare clear. And prevents you being interrupted. It might make the build up shorter but as you as you click an ability you still have to wait the 1.5s. Snipe is your main opener as a distance sniper spec. Dot them up with rolling damage, Snipe, FF, hip-shot. If you really need it use a rifle-shot. But the target should be dead at that point. If you're wanting to get into close combat as riflespec. Trench fighting is probably a good choice. But outside of 1v1 the 20ft tactic is too dangerous. Close combat for a rifle spec engi is anything below 45ft IMO.
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Re: Snipe-engibitz!

Post#10 » Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:21 am

Scottx125 wrote: Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:02 am
lumpi33 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:14 pm Nice job dude.

To be fair, he is the best 1:1 engi on the server, in best possible sniper gear. Triumphant ring, BL weapon, two onyx WS rings with armor pen. https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 403/armory

He is mostly fighting lowbies with 700+ WS, almost no toughness, low crit and 8k health.

If you wanna see him hitting equally geared sov targets then look at 2:07 (snezhana sov def WE) and 3:08 (Mournbrand, almost sov tank) in the combat log. That's not so impressive and these fights were not in the video.

Good job though.
That's nowhere near the best Sniper spec build. Soft cap BS, 45% crit chance, 62% base armour pen (84% with turret debuff and 109% with Armor-Piercing Rounds) is what I've built for my spec.. 8.5k wounds. It even has some FS thrown in and keg. It's also versatile as an AOE spec because you can drop the investment in renown in WS and focus it onto crit/wounds/whatever. And you still have a good amount of WS to fall back on your rifle abilities if you need to.
Problem with glass cannon high crit specs, is that they are hard countered by high toughness + absorb specs. Like say a def WE, chosen or bg which didn't build glass cannon, toughness magus, etc.
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