XP off, but with a twist..

[Sulorie]

The reason the XP scroll was removed in the first place was because experienced players were going back into <T4, building BIS toons and then farming new / less experienced players. <T4 isn't your personal farming ground, it's there as part of the learning curve. And I agree with the XP scroll ban. It was abused by too many people and it would be abused again if it was returned.

This was the intention but SC results are on a per SC basis and people still lose to premades in midtier. When one premades leaves t2-3 bracket, don't you think others will replace them?
The fact of new players being beaten by experienced players isn't resolved.
You just add a plethora of negative side effects by trying to fix it this way.

[Sickesthater]

On live they actually came up with no xp scroll that you could read "just click it" and it would lock your level forever. This scroll appeared during the final spring the game was online. And it made alot of ppl quit including me. Imagine making a new toon for t1 (or going into any new tier for that matter) and so your a lowby in some tier of the game. Next you are immediately surrounded by people who have locked their level at the best or highest way they can with the best gear. Here's whats gonna happen to you. You will be stomped into a fine powder dust. This will happen over and over. Let me give you an example. You are level 16 and you head into mid tier. An sc perhaps? Or just regular rvr. You choose. And then your level 16 is surrounded by level 39s as far as the eye can see. Do you grasp why this is not good? I am 100% against this foolish idea.

[Stinkyweed]

Lock anyone who uses the scroll out from playing SCs.

[Sinisterror]

This scroll removal has mostly negative effects like new people cant do pve to explore, and they ding lvl 40rr40 with any luck. Solo Sc's after scroll removal ive had rr30+ chars dinging 40. That's also because how the game atm rewards you with renown for basically avoiding enemy and you get high RR fast in Rve. If you solo in ROR less sc pops,less renown from kills as well, when you kill 1v2 against rr70+rr80 with your rr 50+ Char, you should be getting loads more renown from that than RVE.

Scroll removal and this premade farming thing : D Im sure some did that, ofc they did that what good players do, play good Play good/together. But its the Matchmaking not putting premades against premades but Solo ques against premades=) But you can Rve your way to rr50 when gettin to lvl 40 but RvR is basically 3 sec long fights and 24 ae cap has made sure that so player does not really learn anything while he is doing that. Everybody loses when you force people to lvl 40 with nothing to wear.

I wish for separated tiers so badly! Tier 1 1-19lvl Tier-2-3 20-lvl-rr45 and cant ding lvl 40 until rr45 and you would have same bolster as 40 you do as lvl 39. Peeps say there is no enough players to have RvR 1/19 - 20/39rr45 so lvl 40 cant come to "Tier3 rvr " And make tactics at lvl 10-20-30-40 again.

If matchmaker prioritized pre v pre and pug v pug there is more than enough players to fight in rvr and que scs. I mean how braindead the campaign is now ? Bringing resource carriers + Npc champs/hero at Bo's and Bo lock system.

Edit; 2-3x renown gain buff if you kill 20-30rr higher in 1v2. 40rr-60rr should get triple renown gain. rr60-80 1.5x what its now at least. Renown gain is quite sad if dont follow the zerg (but have something to fight against

[Derpy]

The reason the XP scroll was removed in the first place was because experienced players were going back into <T4, building BIS toons and then farming new / less experienced players. <T4 isn't your personal farming ground, it's there as part of the learning curve. And I agree with the XP scroll ban. It was abused by too many people and it would be abused again if it was returned.

How does it really change the situation from current? Mid tier is loaded with premades farming newbies already. Gearing pre 40 is pretty easy anyways, so if someone wants to stay there its really easy to get bis and stay somewhat competive (cant bolster player skills, so theres always that...).

[Scottx125]

The reason the XP scroll was removed in the first place was because experienced players were going back into <T4, building BIS toons and then farming new / less experienced players. <T4 isn't your personal farming ground, it's there as part of the learning curve. And I agree with the XP scroll ban. It was abused by too many people and it would be abused again if it was returned.

This was the intention but SC results are on a per SC basis and people still lose to premades in midtier. When one premades leaves t2-3 bracket, don't you think others will replace them?
The fact of new players being beaten by experienced players isn't resolved.
You just add a plethora of negative side effects by trying to fix it this way.

True, but the fact that you can't stop levelling forces those players to re-roll every single time. Ultimately making it less convenient for players to do that kind of behaviour. I agree there should be more negative effects to make it harder for experienced players to do that.

[Scottx125]

The reason the XP scroll was removed in the first place was because experienced players were going back into <T4, building BIS toons and then farming new / less experienced players. <T4 isn't your personal farming ground, it's there as part of the learning curve. And I agree with the XP scroll ban. It was abused by too many people and it would be abused again if it was returned.

How does it really change the situation from current? Mid tier is loaded with premades farming newbies already. Gearing pre 40 is pretty easy anyways, so if someone wants to stay there its really easy to get bis and stay somewhat competive (cant bolster player skills, so theres always that...).

Not denying that, but I doubt restoring the XP scroll is going to make the situation better. It'll make it worse. Perhaps an account wide ranking can be used to determine if players are skilled/experienced and then some sort of debolster is used on them.

[francomes]

Scroll won't solve a thing

Ppl don't wanna be stuck in 16-39. U can check that pretty easy by looking at advice channel and the amount of ppl asking how to lvl fast. Of course there may be some veterans who know what s coming and try to prolong their stance in mid tier but most folks just wanna get to T4...

...And that's where the real problem is = the distance that exist from conqueror to Sov. Once u are in vanq u can sorta play. But that's 54 renown and the gap it's hell itself. And thats supposing that u get to 40 with 45 renown and the crest to get conqueror...otherwise u are stuck with ruin or having to farm GB...which is way worst than hell

[Derpy]

Scroll won't solve a thing

Ppl don't wanna be stuck in 16-39. U can check that pretty easy by looking at advice channel and the amount of ppl asking how to lvl fast. Of course there may be some veterans who know what s coming and try to prolong their stance in mid tier but most folks just wanna get to T4...

Funnily enough, quite a few would want to be stuck there because that wall they hit after dinging 40.

...And that's where the real problem is = the distance that exist from conqueror to Sov. Once u are in vanq u can sorta play. But that's 54 renown and the gap it's hell itself. And thats supposing that u get to 40 with 45 renown and the crest to get conqueror...otherwise u are stuck with ruin or having to farm GB...which is way worst than hell

Yes, thats exactly why people want to be stuck in pre40. Current system is pretty badly designed. You basically get slapped to the face, hard, for dinging 40.

[shoelessHN]

The reason the XP scroll was removed in the first place was because experienced players were going back into <T4, building BIS toons and then farming new / less experienced players. <T4 isn't your personal farming ground, it's there as part of the learning curve. And I agree with the XP scroll ban. It was abused by too many people and it would be abused again if it was returned.

This was the intention but SC results are on a per SC basis and people still lose to premades in midtier. When one premades leaves t2-3 bracket, don't you think others will replace them?
The fact of new players being beaten by experienced players isn't resolved.
You just add a plethora of negative side effects by trying to fix it this way.

True, but the fact that you can't stop levelling forces those players to re-roll every single time. Ultimately making it less convenient for players to do that kind of behaviour. I agree there should be more negative effects to make it harder for experienced players to do that.

Lol less convenient? It takes MINUTES to BiS gear your char in t1, takes 30mins to BiS your char to lvl25, can use crests to BiS your char at 35.

It is far easier for people to close the gear gap in t2 than it is in t4. They hit t4 and have a month of grinding to close the gap instead of hours.