That's a fundamental difference in the mechanic of both classes that's often overlooked. BG needs a way to generate hate by himself else he would be completely useless in its base functionality if not hit. IB doesn't need grudge to use its base functional skills.
I don't agree with that, IB do not need to spend grudge to make damage, but he has to use Grudge to get himself and his Oathfriend buffed.
- Wave of Scorn doesn't need anything to snare and has a base amount of damage, to get same base amount of damage with earthshatter it needs at least 50 grudge
- Shield of Rage(baseline, all damage) costs half the hate of Runic Shields( specable, castdamage absorb, same value) grudge
- Parry buffs, while not direct compareable, IB needs 15 grudge for 10sec 25% while BG needs nothing for 4 x 100%
- Heavy Blow does has a dot component while Murderous Wrath ignores armor, not direct compareable but both cost nothing (
- Exile do not consume any grudge and with full grudge the range is insane, IB has Away with ye (ok range) that consumes 25 grudge
The "completely usesless part" got me
The "consume" Damage ability on BG are Pitiless Strike, Monstrous Rending and Crimson Death, these are big damage abilitys the IB not even have a relevant pendant
The rest of the abilitys are too far away from compareable
BG
- Ap drain (20 Hate)
- defense reduce (30 Hate)
IB
- Bodyresi + autoattackspeed when get castet (5 Grudge)
- WS buff + AP for oathfriend (15 Grudge)
- Str + Crit buff (15 Grudge)
- Parrybuff (15 Grudge)
- Avenging the Depth (25 Grudge)
And the last one:
- Enraged Beating is first ability in left tree, Builds insane amount of Grudge while doing good damage <- This alone is enough to maintain damage on BG and the the most important thing is it would keep the stack alive even if BG wouldn't have hate on attack
IB has nothing similar
- GBF on IB is last ability in left tree, does more damage, but does not give any grudge
In 1v1 if you do not have the tactic and your target decides to run away you do exact...nothing as an IB
So...may you tell me again what makes the BG useless without the extra hate, and why IB is much more usefull without it?