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Returning Player question about class balance?
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:00 pm
by majikman
Hey guys returning player from years ago, bored with everything and saw that this server is still live. When I finished downloading I got a system message saying order is in need of players and offering XP bonuses for making an order character. I searched the forums before posting this. Did not get an answer for what I am looking for. Which class type is needed most. Tank / DPS / Heals? I remember playing way back and joining SC and not having heals or not having tanks or having all tanks. I am having a hard time picking between IB / WP / WH. Also a buddy told me they added more PVE content then last time I was around so that also peaked my interest. I'll eventually level all 3, but at this time with my current work schedule I just want to focus on one and get caught up. Thanks in advance.
Re: Returning Player question about class balance?
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:30 am
by Wraithedge
Order is a bit of a mess. Its like a wild briar-patch of a faction with a few berries and a lot of thorns. Destro contains many Veterans, are often organized and utilize many “tips and tricks” to get an upper hand. Destro is generally quite good at doing what Destro does.
Because of that, Order is a bit scattered with fewer organized WBs and often find themselves on the tenderized end of the stick even when they win.
Go ahead and get used to the idea that you will want to try out several different things to find what feels best. There is no “best”.
There is Meta and off-Meta.
You will see a LOT of off-Meta.
Organized groups, raid groups and city siege’s often insist on Meta comps but outside those tight parameters there is a large percentage of game experience where being Meta is less important and off-Meta expressions of a class are acceptable if somewhat beleaguered.
Tank
Meta: Sword and Board. Have a shield. Use a shield. Do Tank things
Off-Meta: Two Handed Weapons! Whooo! I’m DPS! Who needs a shield. I do what I want. You’re not my real Dad!
Heal
Meta: Heal. Heal more. Keep healing. Are you dead? Did you die healing? Good healer. Keep healing.
Off-Meta: My heals are for ME! I have damage tactics! I am a hybrid! Look at my dps! Its there… look closer. I live foreve….ack.
DPS
Meta: Do damage. Die. Do damage. Die. Do damage. Die. Do damage. Die.
Off-Meta: Reflect. Die. Regen. Die. I AM AN AOE MACHIN… die. I have self heali...die.
Off-Meta is the spicy stuff that lots of people think is exciting so don’t be afraid to share that opinion.
Organized bands and premades are going to want those Meta roles to be Meta.
The WP better have a book and better be healing everyone else.
The WH better never touch a tank and should be ganking healers and dirty, dirty awful, horrible, sorcs AGGHH! Kil sorcs!@1
The IB better have a shield and be guarding the WH. Put the Two-Handed axe down. Have you put it down? I can’t tell because you are so short.
Try some of those out to understand what works with your playstyle, they are all very different.
If you want into the top tier creme-d-la-creme pinky-up organized WBs, the way in is generally through the Meta.
There are LOTS of fun things off-Meta to do though. So give yourself some space and time to get a feel for what you might like.
No one knows you better than you.
Re: Returning Player question about class balance?
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:37 am
by don775
I think that if you are not filling for your guild/friends you might want to continue with a solo career, I did the same after a while.
Re: Returning Player question about class balance?
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:37 pm
by abezverkhiy
Wraithedge wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:30 am
Order is a bit of a mess. Its like a wild briar-patch of a faction with a few berries and a lot of thorns. Destro contains many Veterans, are often organized and utilize many “tips and tricks” to get an upper hand. Destro is generally quite good at doing what Destro does.
Because of that, Order is a bit scattered with fewer organized WBs and often find themselves on the tenderized end of the stick even when they win.
bullsh!t
Re: Returning Player question about class balance?
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:35 pm
by zulnam
Both factions are always in demand for tanks and healers that play the proper role. That means tanking and healing.
In this regard:
WP is the best healer order side; runepriest can compete but imo much harder to play RP proper than WP.
IB is the weakest of order tanks group wise, but only because the bar is set very high. Their AP pump is still very good imo and due to the constant lack of tanks means you will most often find a spot in a good warband.
Both of these have pretty fun dps specs but it requires end game gear.
WH is a ST dps. You will struggle to find groups, but if you are determined and find a smallscale guild playing during your timezone it's still a viable class, except for cities. In cities (endgame) you will get at best 1 spot in the ST group of a warband, but it will be a struggle. A bad WH can be spotted from a mile away. I recommend leveling this last since you will need understanding of other warband mechanics to play it well.
Hope that helps.
Re: Returning Player question about class balance?
Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:30 pm
by h34rtbrok3n
Wraithedge wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:30 am
Order is a bit of a mess. Its like a wild briar-patch of a faction with a few berries and a lot of thorns. Destro contains many Veterans, are often organized and utilize many “tips and tricks” to get an upper hand. Destro is generally quite good at doing what Destro does.
Because of that, Order is a bit scattered with fewer organized WBs and often find themselves on the tenderized end of the stick even when they win.
Go ahead and get used to the idea that you will want to try out several different things to find what feels best. There is no “best”.
There is Meta and off-Meta.
You will see a LOT of off-Meta.
Organized groups, raid groups and city siege’s often insist on Meta comps but outside those tight parameters there is a large percentage of game experience where being Meta is less important and off-Meta expressions of a class are acceptable if somewhat beleaguered.
Tank
Meta: Sword and Board. Have a shield. Use a shield. Do Tank things
Off-Meta: Two Handed Weapons! Whooo! I’m DPS! Who needs a shield. I do what I want. You’re not my real Dad!
Heal
Meta: Heal. Heal more. Keep healing. Are you dead? Did you die healing? Good healer. Keep healing.
Off-Meta: My heals are for ME! I have damage tactics! I am a hybrid! Look at my dps! Its there… look closer. I live foreve….ack.
DPS
Meta: Do damage. Die. Do damage. Die. Do damage. Die. Do damage. Die.
Off-Meta: Reflect. Die. Regen. Die. I AM AN AOE MACHIN… die. I have self heali...die.
Off-Meta is the spicy stuff that lots of people think is exciting so don’t be afraid to share that opinion.
Organized bands and premades are going to want those Meta roles to be Meta.
The WP better have a book and better be healing everyone else.
The WH better never touch a tank and should be ganking healers and dirty, dirty awful, horrible, sorcs AGGHH! Kil sorcs!@1
The IB better have a shield and be guarding the WH. Put the Two-Handed axe down. Have you put it down? I can’t tell because you are so short.
Try some of those out to understand what works with your playstyle, they are all very different.
If you want into the top tier creme-d-la-creme pinky-up organized WBs, the way in is generally through the Meta.
There are LOTS of fun things off-Meta to do though. So give yourself some space and time to get a feel for what you might like.
No one knows you better than you.
Please give this post credit because it defines very well the current roles <3
Re: Returning Player question about class balance?
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:40 pm
by paperclipdog
1. Meta is different for different content. City and oRvR warbands are built differently, bring different classes and with different builds. Not to mention smaller groups and SC parties.
Tanks going SNB is only meta for large scale oRvR Groups for example, in city and SC you often bring 2h Tanks to assist dps.
2. IC being raided almost daily certainly disproves order being "a bit of a mess". Though some prominent EU destro guilds have come out of Summer break, making the experience in oRvR more varied and fun.
majikman wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:00 pm
Hey guys returning player from years ago, bored with everything and saw that this server is still live. When I finished downloading I got a system message saying order is in need of players and offering XP bonuses for making an order character. I searched the forums before posting this. Did not get an answer for what I am looking for. Which class type is needed most. Tank / DPS / Heals? I remember playing way back and joining SC and not having heals or not having tanks or having all tanks. I am having a hard time picking between IB / WP / WH. Also a buddy told me they added more PVE content then last time I was around so that also peaked my interest. I'll eventually level all 3, but at this time with my current work schedule I just want to focus on one and get caught up. Thanks in advance.
Tanks and Healers are always needed on both sides. I sadly can't tell you wether IB or WP is more in demand currently, but you probably want to play what's more fun anyway. This question also depends on how hardcore/tryhard you want to be and what scale of PvP groups you prefer.
Re: Returning Player question about class balance?
Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:42 pm
by Praywithme
Okay what you enjoy or you'll end up quitting again.