Return of Reckoning

If I'm not mistaken, the shadow warrior class doesn't posses any tactic nor ability that provides sustain in the form of self heal or absorb. Not even a morale.

Yes, assault stance doubles item armor contribution. That is nice (and much needed for any melee class that can't turn to stealth to avoid the frontline butchery), but there are more classes that can boost their armor noticeably, even classes that don't need to get in melee range.

Let's compare situation with SW's "mirrors", which, in the crossed mirrors situation of this game, would be marauder and squig herder. Both mirror classes have access to sustain stuff that provide self heal (plus absorb tactic for mara, autodetaunt and speed procs tactics for herder)
So. BOTH SW'S MIRRORED CLASSES HAVE SUSTAIN STUFF. OK.

Let's compare with other dps classes, off the top of my head:
Engy: keg
Magus: aegis and absorb racial tactic (and one 50% heal tactic on an ability)
BW: % heal tactic on some ability I forget (shitty maybe but there it is), absorb racial tactic.
Sorc: Absorb vitality DoT
Slayer and Choppa: Rune of Absorption, choppa mirrored ability, and some other slayer shite regen tactic I dimly recall.
WL: regen tactic tied to trained to kill iirc
WH/WE: kisses heal tactic, absorb tactics

The gap widens. EVERY OTHER DPS CLASS HAS SUSTAIN STUFF.

Let's compare with other classes apart from the dps classes

Tanks: self heal, absorb galore, you name it (understandably)
Healers: obviously...

OMG
EVERY OTHER CLASS IN THE GAME HAS SUSTAIN STUFF.

If any patches are coming in the future to improve the performance of the Shadow Warrior, a class which many would agree (even in destro game chat) in considering the worst performing class in the game right now, it would be really nice if some form of self sustain, however puny (preferably not taking up a tactic slot) were added to the SW's arsenal.What do you guys think?

I know I know, some minor self heal or absorb thing won't solve the SW problems. The problems with SW are other things, and we all know what they are, the devs know, everybody knows, and I'm sure in time things will improve. But this thing about sustain is like a matter of justice, of equality, and I love tinkering with the self sustain features of the classes. All I know is my little hooded lanky wannabe brawler would be most grateful.

+25% to all defesive stats buff is not enought for you?

+25% buff to wounds, toughness and initiative? sure, where do I sign?
And now, to the point: I think I stated very specifically several times "self heal" and "absorb". I might have not made it clear enough.

Best thing for Shadow Warrior is probably just to retire it at this point.

cursedflesh wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:09 am +25% to all defesive stats buff is not enought for you?

Ah I see, you mean Shadowstep avoidance self buff. The word "stats" threw me off there. Yes, it is very nice, and powerful. Needs really high rr to be able to take that AND Shadow Sting though:(
But, again, many classes have avoidance buffs and other defensive stuff. But, specifically, SELF HEAL and/or ABSORB. Or both, damn. Where is it for the SW. Dominator/oppressor absorb procs? c'mon. I want what every other guy has, even though I don't want to use it in the end.

Deadpoet wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:36 am Ah I see, you mean Shadowstep avoidance self buff. The word "stats" threw me off there. Yes, it is very nice, and powerful. Needs really high rr to be able to take that AND Shadow Sting though:(
But, again, many classes have avoidance buffs and other defensive stuff. But, specifically, SELF HEAL and/or ABSORB. Or both, damn. Where is it for the SW. Dominator/oppressor absorb procs? c'mon. I want what every other guy has, even though I don't want to use it in the end.

other guys are main dps, asw is support dps

should self heal class get self punt ?

let's talk about mirroring.
not direct mirror,
different method similar effect.

mara have ignoring armor pen.
SW double armor.

chosen have -10% crit chance.
sm have 20%heal buff.

dwarf have armor tactic.
ork have wound tactic.

WL pet provide CC mara have.( interrupt stun pull )
SH pet provide buffs SW have.

and there are many more if you consider core vs mastery.
A have B so I want B, is not valid.

double armor, self punt, disarm, range snare, range silence, M1 cleans, M1 defense, got more from mastery,
that's enough tools.

Add an effect to the Keen Arrowheads tactic. In addition to increased duration, Broadhead Arrow has a 25% chance to heal for the damage it deals.

Is this the real issue with Shadow Warriors? Self heal is mostly for 1v1, is SW such a weak 1v1 class?

anarchypark wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:53 am A have B so I want B, is not valid.

I completely agree. I wouldn't ask for, say, pounce, because the squig herder has pounce, so I want pounce too.
The issue is completely different here, I'm afraid:
It's not A have B, so I want B.
No.
It's A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, J, K , L … (I REPEAT, EVERY OTHER CLASS EXCEPT FOR SW) have self heal or/and absorb, SO I WANT SELF HEAL OR/AND ABSORB.

skinnyraf wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:37 am Is this the real issue with Shadow Warriors? Self heal is mostly for 1v1, is SW such a weak 1v1 class?

I'll quote myself:

Deadpoet wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:46 pm I know I know, some minor self heal or absorb thing won't solve the SW problems. The problems with SW are other things, and we all know what they are, the devs know, everybody knows, and I'm sure in time things will improve. But this thing about sustain is like a matter of justice, of equality, and I love tinkering with the self sustain features of the classes. All I know is my little hooded lanky wannabe brawler would be most grateful.