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What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:15 am
by Raggaz
Tesq wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:52 am
first it's not pvp; its RvR which is totally different, this is not fortnite...
0-aim is not fight, aim is take capital in whatever mean possible
1-you choose to fight
2-you choose where fight
3-you choose how fight
the problem we face is not if fight or not but the current flag system when fight happens dont spread ppl enough to the whole zones; we want more fight simultaneusly going on over the whole map for more objective; not just 1 big fight perma in the middle of the 2 wc....
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=27415&start=40
If you choose to fight? So it is an option? You want to make fighting in the game an option??
You want to spread us out so we dont have to fight?
We currently dont have to fight for BOs/resource. We can do all of this without engaging the enemy.
The game is meant to make progress without fighting?
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:56 am
by adamthelc
In regards to RvR and not instanced PvP, objectives should be there to prevent the game from just being whoever has more numbers wins.
In instanced PvP those objectives arent as neccessary because a difference in numbers shouldnt be as much of a factor.
It is the tendency of most players to try and avoid a fight, unless the numbers are even or they are on the larger side. If you are avoiding a fight you are either looking for more players or looking for a smaller group so you have the advantage. The problem then becomes they will try to avoid a fight when they are at a disadvantage.
That behavior actually makes sense which is why it's hard to fix it. It is also why instanced PvP is much better if you are actually interested in competition.
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:14 am
by anarchypark
is that why they developed Wrath of Heroes for instanced competition?
sounds fun. oh wait,
@OP
your pvp blah blah spam is getting annoying.
move your lazy ass and search for the fight.
if they run u cut their escape route b4 start. or break door to call them.
you wanna sit comfortably waiting 100aao enemy to come for you like dinner served ?
it's not a date.
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:47 am
by peterthepan3
I play RoR for flags. Outta here with yo PvP BS.
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:05 am
by roadkillrobin
The objectives should be there as a reason to fight over them. There's no war without objectives to win. First you need a agenda to fight, global domination, economic growth, defence and so on. To reach those goals there's objectives that you need to claim in form of terratories, resources and so on that you need the controll over and blocking those rewards are obstacles.
Fighting for the sake of fighting isn't logical.
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am
by Acidic
roadkillrobin wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:05 am
The objectives should be there as a reason to fight over them. There's no war without objectives to win. First you need a agenda to fight, global domination, economic growth, defence and so on. To reach those goals there's objectives that you need to claim in form of terratories, resources and so on that you need the controll over and blocking those rewards are obstacles.
Fighting for the sake of fighting isn't logical.
I thought it was enough that there are dwarfs still alive, always motivated to try and eradicate these foot stools from roaming around without a lead on them
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:07 pm
by roadkillrobin
Acidic wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:50 am
roadkillrobin wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:05 am
The objectives should be there as a reason to fight over them. There's no war without objectives to win. First you need a agenda to fight, global domination, economic growth, defence and so on. To reach those goals there's objectives that you need to claim in form of terratories, resources and so on that you need the controll over and blocking those rewards are obstacles.
Fighting for the sake of fighting isn't logical.
I thought it was enough that there are dwarfs still alive, always motivated to try and eradicate these foot stools from roaming around without a lead on them
The agenda of the orcs is global domination. Dwarfs are the obstacles as they are in direct proximity. Objectives are controlling the choke points that prevent the Orcs from swarming them. Orcs would be completly unstoppeble if it weren't for their own annimosity, as them killing each other is the only thing that prevenrmts them from reaching a critical quantity to be able to overwealming the Dwarf choke points.
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:12 pm
by Tesq
Raggaz wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:15 am
Tesq wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:52 am
first it's not pvp; its RvR which is totally different, this is not fortnite...
0-aim is not fight, aim is take capital in whatever mean possible
1-you choose to fight
2-you choose where fight
3-you choose how fight
the problem we face is not if fight or not but the current flag system when fight happens dont spread ppl enough to the whole zones; we want more fight simultaneusly going on over the whole map for more objective; not just 1 big fight perma in the middle of the 2 wc....
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=27415&start=40
If you choose to fight? So it is an option? You want to make fighting in the game an option??
You want to spread us out so we dont have to fight?
We currently dont have to fight for BOs/resource. We can do all of this without engaging the enemy.
The game is meant to make progress without fighting?
the game is meant to progress, it is either you to choose how and enemy stop progress you by fight you if necessary, or you are forced to fight if it's necessary to progress, when and how it's called strategy....
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:15 pm
by Tesq
adamthelc wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:56 am
In regards to RvR and not instanced PvP, objectives should be there to prevent the game from just being whoever has more numbers wins.
In instanced PvP those objectives arent as neccessary because a difference in numbers shouldnt be as much of a factor.
It is the tendency of most players to try and avoid a fight, unless the numbers are even or they are on the larger side. If you are avoiding a fight you are either looking for more players or looking for a smaller group so you have the advantage. The problem then becomes they will try to avoid a fight when they are at a disadvantage.
That behavior actually makes sense which is why it's hard to fix it. It is also why instanced PvP is much better if you are actually interested in competition.
it makes sense bcause gain/loose an objective is not important what if all objective where important to hold all the tieme all togheter for ranking? if you must hold it you cant decide to simply leave.... hence need a system which require hold more objectiv3e simultaneusly, this will also spread pop all over map.
then the deciding if fighting or not became even mroe complex and require a whole realm spreading liek a net strategy with flanking all over the map etc.
sounds fun.
Re: What? No more pvp.
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:36 pm
by Urdeg
Amazing. Had an argument in one thread, decided to make a whole.new thread about rhat one specific and totally inconsequential spat.
Real impressive.