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Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:26 am
by kindred4080
Hey everyone!
Just want to ask a question :
"Does desto side can bring something similar, in terms of 6v6, like order do with SW (x2 ini debuff) + WL (top lvl burst) + SM (x2 spirit debuff (dunno if this was changed))?"
p.s. I'm not trying to let the salt flow or generate any kind of toxic replies.
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 8:57 am
by Panodil
Zealot m1+tactic+mara armordebuff all stack, remove around 3k armor.
In bomb wb we have zealot+bo corpdebuff that stack and remove around 700 resist, both aoe. Destro got some nice stuff
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:28 am
by Aurandilaz
To counter the Order crit stacking (SW crit buff, Kotb crit buff, Kotb other crit buff) and WL+SM burst combo, Destro used to have things like -30% dmg reduction to attacker from Chosen Crippling Strikes, and back with normal moral gain rates and with old moral pump tactics M4 was actually reachable by tanks, even by a DoK to boost the survival of own party members.
Destro however retains access to their woundsdebuffs from BG/Mara/Chosen, which can be countered to some extent by WP woundsbuff.
And while Order certainly has the advantage of more burst dmg, Destro retains superiority in the Snare department, with easy access to AoE snare from BG, BO (used to have better uptime) and DoK covenant, denying their opponents chance to reach targets in time.
Back when moral rates were normal, you could even have things like WindWovenShell from Sorc giving party -20% incoming dmg, or Zealot M2 for armor+resis buff on party, or DoK M2 for total group cleanse. (RP M2 + WP M4 also were quite handy defensive tools)
Destro had in general some quite excellent Moral arsenal to counter all that Order offensive burstiness and back under normal 36moral per sec gains they were reachable in Sc fights, but current 9 moral per sec certainly hurts everyone, but Destro for sure due to no access to ST moral pump on demand from AM (shaman pump slower and less reliable).
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 9:38 am
by Panzerkasper
Aurandilaz wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 9:28 am
To counter the Order crit stacking (SW crit buff, Kotb crit buff, Kotb other crit buff) and WL+SM burst combo, Destro used to have things like -30% dmg reduction to attacker from Chosen Crippling Strikes, and back with normal moral gain rates and with old moral pump tactics M4 was actually reachable by tanks, even by a DoK to boost the survival of own party members.
Destro however retains access to their woundsdebuffs from BG/Mara/Chosen, which can be countered to some extent by WP woundsbuff.
And while Order certainly has the advantage of more burst dmg, Destro retains superiority in the Snare department, with easy access to AoE snare from BG, BO (used to have better uptime) and DoK covenant, denying their opponents chance to reach targets in time.
Back when moral rates were normal, you could even have things like WindWovenShell from Sorc giving party -20% incoming dmg, or Zealot M2 for armor+resis buff on party, or DoK M2 for total group cleanse. (RP M2 + WP M4 also were quite handy defensive tools)
Destro had in general some quite excellent Moral arsenal to counter all that Order offensive burstiness and back under normal 36moral per sec gains they were reachable in Sc fights, but current 9 moral per sec certainly hurts everyone, but Destro for sure due to no access to ST moral pump on demand from AM (shaman pump slower and less reliable).
Yea well, Crippling Strikes is gone, moral pump is gone and the snare "superiority" statement is simply not true. BGs Wave of scorn is back at 13 points (cuts his offensive ability), BOs got nerfed and the DoK pact is a mediocre 20% snare.
The only thing I give you is the wounds debuff wich, even with Sigmars Grace, is hard to counter. Especially since the range ninja nerf.
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:31 am
by peterthepan3
check out 6v6 streams or other footage to see how teams try to deal with such comps. personally, I find melee sw and slayer comps much more threatening.
dps dok/sorc works pretty well vs msw comps, too (requires high rr).
overall I would have to say, however, that order has the high ground atm in 6v6 play.
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:12 pm
by theoddone
The main issue I have with melee shadow warrior. Is that, depending on the target, a MSW alone will outshine three destro classes working together (DI - CD/CS - conq/BO) in debuffing chance to be crit. In my mind, this game is supposed to be about teamwork, group synergy, and coordination.
There are several different destro setups that can beat MSW setups. It's just an uphill battle.
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:06 pm
by Dankmeme
Aurandilaz wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 9:28 am
Aoe snare dok cov
OKOKOK
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:14 pm
by Aurandilaz
Dankmeme wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 2:06 pm
Aurandilaz wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 9:28 am
Aoe snare dok cov
OKOKOK
rip not-Shaggys 21st forum account
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:24 pm
by DokB
Destro brings better aesthetics :0)
Re: Destro damage synergy squad
Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 2:44 pm
by GodlessCrom
DokB wrote: Tue May 08, 2018 2:24 pm
Destro brings better aesthetics :0)
False. Ironbreaker über alles. Git rekt, destro nerds.
(chaos dorf for destro pls)