Return of Reckoning

On Your Guard aura, when affecting dps and healers in your group, does it break their detaunt with it's damage?
How do I find out my real block rate? Paperdoll and getstat give unrealistic numbers, 15% and 10%, which is plain impossible for a 40lvl tank. That would mean a 39lvl shield gives you 5% or less blockrate.

Avici wrote:How do I find out my real block rate? Paperdoll and getstat give unrealistic numbers, 15% and 10%, which is plain impossible for a 40lvl tank. That would mean a 39lvl shield gives you 5% or less blockrate.

Not impossible at all. Someone may be able to give you the exact formula but as a fast example: the 39/39 scenario shield with 357 block rating gives me ~5.1% block (+2% bonus on the item itself for a total of ~7.1% block). There is no reason as far as I know to believe this is inaccurate--it does seem low, but block is the premier mitigation ability able to negate all types of attacks, so it's probably reasonable that significant amounts of it require more than just equipping a shield. The majority of your block% will come from gear/set bonuses, renown, and Shield Rush.

Also, for whatever reason, getstats shows you only your bonus to block, omitting the innate block granted by a shield (if you hover your cursor over the block stat on paperdoll it will show you the two numbers added together--the first is innate block, second is bonus).

That would be impossible, unless in RoR formula gives you much, much less block than on live. I clearly remember that on live by 10lvl I had 20% block. 25% with pve tactic. By 80rr it was 60% block. And I probably wasn't using block for renown, because I was a noob

And does that sound reasonable/balanced to you, that without speccing for it you completely negated 60% of all attacks? Not even having to worry about armor resists? There's a very good reason things are different here! You'll get used to it and you'll love it

AxelF wrote:And does that sound reasonable/balanced to you, that without speccing for it you completely negated 60% of all attacks? Not even having to worry about armor resists? There's a very good reason things are different here! You'll get used to it and you'll love it

Not sure about this. Tanks feel like wet noodles in RoR. No wonder there are so few of them. And even less surprising that most tanks use 2handers. 60% may sound a lot, but remember, that was the biggest renown rank, with the best gear in the game. And do you count in debuffs? With 15% block you're doomed to have it reduced to 5% as soon as you meet a bg or any other class that can debuff blocks.

Defensive tanks are in a good position atm, apart from block there is also parry/dodge/disrupt which also account for avoidance

Can't see where you see the problem

Well, as the other guy said this isn't Live, and you remember it being 60% but how accurate that is who can say? Even assuming it was 60%, you then argue:

Avici wrote: 60% may sound a lot, but remember, that was the biggest renown rank, with the best gear in the game.

...but then immediately compare it to the 15% number on RoR as if that were the most block you could achieve here.

Doing some back of the envelope maths:

Conq Boots = 3%
Conq Set = 5%
(Ruin set is 1% less in total, so not having Conq isn't really an issue here)
Genesis Fragment = 3%
SC shield = 2%
Shield innate = ~5%
Defender (20 Renown points) = 10%
Shield Rush = 10%

Which gives us ~38% block with Shield Rush active. With one of the less common +block items (Gunbad Diamond, Ravack Cape) you'd have a 40% chance to negate all types of attacks from the front, pre-strikethrough. That seems reasonable to me, especially since you can still also parry/dodge/disrupt.

Beyond that, Knight has: high armor, armor steroid, high toughness, Vigilance (if spec'd for it), CC. My Knight feels plenty tanky enough to me, when I'm spec'd/geared for it. And I would add that Knight probably isn't meant to be the tankiest tank anyhow because of the massive utility it brings through auras.

Samejima wrote:Well, as the other guy said this isn't Live, and you remember it being 60% but how accurate that is who can say? Even assuming it was 60%, you then argue:

Avici wrote: 60% may sound a lot, but remember, that was the biggest renown rank, with the best gear in the game.

...but then immediately compare it to the 15% number on RoR as if that were the most block you could achieve here.

Doing some back of the envelope maths:

Conq Boots = 3%
Conq Set = 5%
(Ruin set is 1% less in total, so not having Conq isn't really an issue here)
Genesis Fragment = 3%
SC shield = 2%
Shield innate = ~5%
Defender (20 Renown points) = 10%
Shield Rush = 10%

Which gives us ~38% block with Shield Rush active. With one of the less common +block items (Gunbad Diamond, Ravack Cape) you'd have a 40% chance to negate all types of attacks from the front, pre-strikethrough. That seems reasonable to me, especially since you can still also parry/dodge/disrupt.

Beyond that, Knight has: high armor, armor steroid, high toughness, Vigilance (if spec'd for it), CC. My Knight feels plenty tanky enough to me, when I'm spec'd/geared for it. And I would add that Knight probably isn't meant to be the tankiest tank anyhow because of the massive utility it brings through auras.

You forget about block debuffs. Somewhat high block numbers were negated by stacking block debuffs. RIght now, just 2 bg's is enough to make your block 0,0.

Are you talking about Furious Howl? That's a 10% reduction and doesn't stack with itself, so if 2 BGs hit you with it you're still only -10% block.

top tier shields on live would give %30sh block rating from wielding them. In RoR equipping a shield certainly feels better than .getstats show you. I think block rating work, but dont show.