Return of Reckoning

straight to the point.

mirrors: White Lion http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wl; /Marauder http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=mar;
left tree: 9pt ability armor debuff ( cutting claw, force opportunity).
mid tree: damage buff ( mutated aggressor, primal fury ) damage ability under 50%hp ( guillotine, cull the weak)
right tree: we have same tanky concept, stun (concussive jolt, brutal pounce), def stats by mutation or buff.
other spells are basically the same.


mirrors: Shadow Warrior http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sw; /Squig Herder http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sh; well i think there is no need to explain. literally the same spells/buffs.

right?

Yes. Sw/Wl and Sh/Mara are kinda cross mirrors: they share mechanics (stance switching between mara/sw and pets between elf and gobbo) but roles are swapped: mara and wl are tankier burst mdps, sw and sh are kiting utility physical rdps. In practice though, Mara and WL end up feeling really different. One is a highly mobile pet class with crazy upfront burst but high ap costs and vulnerable to pet dying. Other is a relatively tanky but less mobile brawler with more backloaded burst and some of the best debuffs in game.

k i got the part sh/wl sw/mara since they have stance and pets but the spell are not even close.
meanwhile if u look at sw/sh they have the same spells and buff, SW via stance, SH via pets same buffs. ( crit,range,tankyness)

same go for mara/wl, they have the same core concept. so my question is : the game is balanced between wl being the mara mirror or the sh mirror or a mix?

Well the mirrors arent really mirrors, and they never were. The names a total misnomer and should never have been used by Mythic. They are balanced seperately, in relation to how they perform in their respective niches within their own factions. It is a rule, actually, to never appeal to ones mirror when discussing class balance.

This is confusing, I know, but it is the way the game is set up.

EDIT: Sorry, didnt answer your actual question. Generally speaking, Squig Herder and Shadow Warrior are considered mirrors, as are White Lion and Marauder. They are not 100% the same in abilities and role however, and so are not necessarily balanced 100% the same.

I think to summarize the mirrors you're talking about:

Mechanic-wise:
Marauder = Shadow Warrior
Squig Herder = White Lion

Career Build-wise:
Marauder = White Lion
Squig Herder = Shadow Warrior

so for you guys the pets/stance are the mechanics that link those classes? not they spells and spell effects?

Its both.

Mechanic wise WL and SH are mirrors due to having a mobile pet and MARA and SW due to the stance/mutations. But playstyle wise SW and SH are mirrors cuz they are RDPS and MARA and WL to due being MDPS. The RDPS are more similar to each other though.

shaggyboomboom wrote:Mechanic wise WL and SH are mirrors due to having a mobile pet and MARA and SW due to the stance/mutations. But playstyle wise SW and SH are mirrors cuz they are RDPS and MARA and WL to due being MDPS. The RDPS are more similar to each other though.

This is a better version of what I attempted to say.

Well you could say the WL and the SH have a stance mechanic in a form of Trained to [something] which augments you pet's abilities and stats and the SH having 4 different pets with likewise different stats and abilities. Note, you COULD.