Return of Reckoning

Why TF? Problem addressed: Why another dok melee healing proposal? The Change: Transferred Focus would proc on your defensive target as it always does. It would also proc on all party members w/in 30-50 feet (more or less guard range) - and apply to life taps (as proved in previous patch notes where the entire direct healing/life taps were addressed and shown to be able to be changed via ability/tactic).

Why not for WP? Why does this even matter? How this would work: Why it isn't OP:

Moving to Discussions.

I think this could be interesting if stacking it with Blessing of Chaos (Zeal). After all, Order has Focused Mending (KotBS) and Blessing of Grungni (RP).

This will be my only post as a player btw.

No +1s.

Your post is basically "no because they need other things". Stay on topic; other buffs should be discussed in other threads.

Frankly, I can see where Tesq is coming from, but in terms of accomplishing ALOT by changing very little - this suggestion seems like a solid one and would actually make Melee HEALING a somewhat viable role in a melee group.

I think people dont really understand the difference between a melee "DPS" DOK and a melee "Healing" DOK.... So it would be helpful for @op to clarify (maybe in a subsequent post) how the roles are different and that you are not necessarily (it seems to me) trying to "buff" melee DPS Dok, but trying to create a legitimate role for melee healing DOKs.

Did I understand your proposal right or did I miss something?

Could we get some actual data on whether or not WP melee healing is in fact higher than DoK? I was under the impression that 2h vs dual wield had no impact on ability damage, all other things being equal. It would make no sense to give DoK a substantial buff to their melee healing to catch up with WP if this basic premise isn't actually true.

Otherwise, I like the idea and I think it could be a good way to help solidify melee healers in groups. At the same time though, I dislike the idea of giving it only to one side and not the other as it creates a significant playstyle divide where WP's are encouraged to go book/salv and DoK's are encouraged to go melee heals.

Stmichael1989 wrote:Could we get some actual data on whether or not WP melee healing is in fact higher than DoK? I was under the impression that 2h vs dual wield had no impact on ability damage, all other things being equal. It would make no sense to give DoK a substantial buff to their melee healing to catch up with WP if this basic premise isn't actually true.

Otherwise, I like the idea and I think it could be a good way to help solidify melee healers in groups. At the same time though, I dislike the idea of giving it only to one side and not the other as it creates a significant playstyle divide where WP's are encouraged to go book/salv and DoK's are encouraged to go melee heals.

I will try and get some SS's if I get some free time later!

But to answer your question - yes... Yes weapon damage does make a very large difference. Just watch the videos of WP's hitting 2k's on a squishy, I bet the max crit a DoK has ever done on this server is b/w 1350 (1400 is my max EVER) and 155 (I doubt it). So yes, it is weapon damage.

I'm actually going to pass on the SS's because I think this falls under the basic logic category. Just pick any non caster, swap to a lower dps weapon and your ability damage will drop.

freshour wrote:

Stmichael1989 wrote:Could we get some actual data on whether or not WP melee healing is in fact higher than DoK? I was under the impression that 2h vs dual wield had no impact on ability damage, all other things being equal. It would make no sense to give DoK a substantial buff to their melee healing to catch up with WP if this basic premise isn't actually true.

Otherwise, I like the idea and I think it could be a good way to help solidify melee healers in groups. At the same time though, I dislike the idea of giving it only to one side and not the other as it creates a significant playstyle divide where WP's are encouraged to go book/salv and DoK's are encouraged to go melee heals.

I will try and get some SS's if I get some free time later!

But to answer your question - yes... Yes weapon damage does make a very large difference. Just watch the videos of WP's hitting 2k's on a squishy, I bet the max crit a DoK has ever done on this server is b/w 1350 (1400 is my max EVER) and 155 (I doubt it). So yes, it is weapon damage.

Unless I'm mistaken, those 2k crits against squishies were during the brief (and glorious) reign of .ab ex WP. There was a specific buff to WP giving them a 40% damage boost to wrath (damage, not melee healing) abilities when they had full RF.

Of course, the 2H auto attack hits harder, but that has no bearing on healing ability.

Stmichael1989 wrote:.

Take any character - that is not a caster - melee for instance -

Switch to a lower dps weapon - use an ability and check the tooltip - it will change to a value much lower.

Transfer essence heals for a base value and then 50% of your damage or 75% if tactic at a slightly larger base value

The difference in weapon damage vs the 20% increased with a tactic - would more or less equate each other.

I stated that this is not an OP change. I stated that this will simply bring the two's lifetaps together at the removal of a very valuable DPS tactic being the heal debuff. So the two will essentially have similar healing numbers, and also similar tactics as both will run

1. divine fury
2. murderous intent (10% crit/parry)
3. Empowered Transfer (tactic that increases lifetaps)
4. Melee WP usually run bubble - DoK's will now run Transferred Focus

But I encourage you to log into a character and try this out for yourself so you can see the difference. Or to make a DoK and get it to 40 and try out the lifetaps and you'll see the difference. There are obvious kit differences between the classes but in regards to if this would just make melee DD DoK's better, none in their right mind would run this over heal debuff.. And if they aren't running heal debuff they should be running AP drain (as it is amazing with pillage essence)