Ktana wrote:Danielle wrote:
You missattribute low damage on tanks to defensive spec where it's caused by the lack of an armour debuff with DoK+Sorc against a slayer with 75% physical damage mitigation.
Your "offensive" bork has bugged character with no armour debuff ability? That's unfortunate.
Depending on the BOrcs spec and the slayer spec, the BOrc debuff won't put the slayer (If the slayer is purposefully overstacking armour) below 75% physical mitigation, where a WL/Mara armour debuff in a standard build would. Given that you likely mostly play against Mara groups which have a stronger armour debuff that might be one of the reasons you are seeing a difference in the BOrc damage from mitigation. Compare the numbers with a different Black Orc pre-mitigation and come and discuss again.
I don't like your argument for ICDs because there is no rationalization behind it. The numbers people in this thread come up with seem arbitrary to me. Don't get me wrong proc damage is over the top. But by how much? Is it by 5%, is it by 10% is it by 15% is it by 30%? What is the actual dps from procs? How much does that dps need to be reduced by to make it balanced? That's what the needed information is for making a rational ICD or dps decrease. Which procs are actually overpowered? Is it all of them? Is it the BW/Sorc proc tactic? We are just being highly unspecific here. Generaly all I can see is "I hate procs, remove them from the game and don't bother me with proc groups again".
I am trying to say "I hate procs, remove them from the game and don't bother me with proc groups again." is not a good way to balance the game, because it removes some interesting class synergies that don't otherwise exist. Anyway hopefully some good groups will likely bring procs to the 6v6 event and we can get some 'unbugged' proc damage data from that.
I would encourage that a proc nerf be discussed in terms of a percentage damage decrease; whether that is implemented through and ICD or nerfing specific abilities/tacitcs damage can be discussed on a separate note.