Why the magus hate?

[Vdova]

No, no and no. I strongly disagree. I keep repeating my self, but doing 200k dmg with 0 dbs means You help Your party single target damage dealers reach 100k dmg with 10dbs. Even fluf dmg count when it help Your team mates to kill easier. As was stated above, dots and AOE will negate the group heals and hots.

but why take to party lol magus who can do 200k dmg in scn with 1-2 lucky DBs (and he thing he realy push the healers with dotk tick per 150:) and dont take sorc who can almost purst one player in single rotation

hmm spirit debuff ... why take magus when you can take chosen same debuff + guard

stagger = better chosen

only 1 thing where magus / engi can realy shine is breaking own team satgger with lol dots:D

With Your logic Folt, You could ask the same way about Zealot, Witch elf, Black orc, etc.
Why have zealot in a party when Dok is more tanky,can heal for more and easier than AP starving ,squishy Zealot? Why have WE in the party insted of mara who can do the same, but better with more debuffs and better survivability(medium armor,shorter detaunt CD) and mobility(charge)? Why take Black orc in a party over black guard/chosen combo when both tanks perform better than Black orc.
If U are here to play those prefered classes, its fine. Some people just want to play classes which are fun You know? Experiment with them and try to push those underrated classes to theyr limits

[Nishka]

Besides, I've seen premades taking maguses on altdorf sieges instead of sorc. They were doing fine.

Gay Maguses From Outer Space.

[Sulorie]

Besides, I've seen premades taking maguses on altdorf sieges instead of sorc. They were doing fine.

Gay Maguses From Outer Space.

They were called "rift-bots".

[Coryphaus]

With Your logic Folt, You could ask the same way about Zealot, Witch elf, Black orc, etc.
Why have zealot in a party when Dok is more tanky,can heal for more and easier than AP starving ,squishy Zealot? Why have WE in the party insted of mara who can do the same, but better with more debuffs and better survivability(medium armor,shorter detaunt CD) and mobility(charge)? Why take Black orc in a party over black guard/chosen combo when both tanks perform better than Black orc.
If U are here to play those prefered classes, its fine. Some people just want to play classes which are fun You know? Experiment with them and try to push those underrated classes to theyr limits

You run zel for the sam reason you run wp + rp, dok handes aoe and cleanse and zel deals removes pressure with flash heals, furthermore 2x dok cant remove ib hdbuff.

WE can be run for the suprise factor while your roaming in praag or something plus you get that M3 but its not as good as wh + am morale pump for excommunicate that can win grp fights potentially off that alone.

Blorcs were **** compared to the other 2 on live and most who stuck by the class did so b/c of the "big dmg" and wernt run nearly as much as BG+ chosen, i got rejected many times from random 6 mans on my blorc in favor of bg and any time i was allowed to join they insisted i redo my spec to run NCM tactic atleast here on ror dps blorcs are good now.

But lets be real how many people would ever run magus + sorc? If you run 2 tanks then at most all you would have is a 25% hdbuff, your grp composition would be so weak over all

[alan14]

Magus is deadly since dot are indeed curable but Burns your healer AP very fast as well. The damage it deals is also very nice to pressure healers again. I haven't played a lot in Scs because weapon aren't worth farming them, but the few I've been in were all right, I do almost as follow :

+ Find the right place to stay & summon your pet. Think about mobility round him & using KD any time you'll be in difficulties. (re-summon regularly). Without your pet buff you'r almost nothing on the battlefield.
+ Out range and focus SW.
+ Keep your pet & Bomb close to you ( WH ). Use pet killing to KD !!!
+ stay close to your healers : never forget (runs in rvr too) that players look at the middle of their screen 80% of the time => defend them with all your abilities to UnMez/Zone Snare/KD to control mele range opponents. Even stopping the slayer charging with the Zone snare is worth in my opinion : gives more time for everyone to target / detaunt or focus him.
+ Keep an eye on BW, you get better survivability versus BW than SW but it's still able to kill you fast.
+ try to get obessive melee classes out of guard range

Sounds easy as this but requires playing magus longer than most other classes to get the best from a Magus.

hope it helps,

Gaydenfer


@those who talk without knowing : play magus, read skills before telling ppl wrong figures & other ****.
@those who talk damage : Magus always end first or second in Scs scoreboards.

[Euan]

You're out of position probably. But don't fret, in T3 you'll be completely ignored!

[balls]

read skills before telling ppl wrong figures & other ****.

I agree. Especially when someone claims that 0 AP abilities burn AP "very fast".

[Vdova]

Magus/engi need some tweaks, no doubt. They dont fit in to 6 man gank parties or 3 man or duo. But they fit well in 2,3 party or full warband.
They are not even close to singletarget burst/AOE dmg of sorc or mobility/survivability of SH, but calling class completely worthles,stagger breaker or just pull bot is nothing more, than trolling

[alan14]

25 RF and 5sc cd for the WP
25 AP for RP 5sc cd.

That's not something I call free.

In the meantime no heal comes and you refresh your dots. with their purify tactic WP are annoying but players can't heal/decurse at the same. looks fair for me. Mag dots, even decurse will deal damage and tire healers.

[balls]

The global used to cleanse matters more than the insignificant resource cost (which was reduced to only AP in the post quoted).

If cleansing was the big threat to the Magus then they would be in a good position currently since there are no group-cleanse tactics available yet. However the big reason why DoTs are ineffective in WAR is because they are easily negated by HoTs (one HoT from any healer negates about two DoTs worth of damage, over the same time period) and the occasional group heal. This means that you struggle to create pressure since you will always be behind the healer in globals. All of your DoTs coupled with DD spam (Rend Winds/IFoC) might pressure a healer into hardcasting a heal or two, but not much more; you simply lack the burst to take down a target receiving the occasional heal.
The best usage of your DoTs is to cover actually useful debuffs, which is a nice side-effect from tossing around AoEDoTs like candy. This makes you fairly valuable in ORvR, but it is debatable whether their realm would be better off with a competent Sorc instead of a Magus.