The whole argument about “the game isn’t balanced around 1v1” only gets thrown out by solo classes so they can keep their crutches.3Form wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 10:53 am Late to the party but there is a strong contradiction between "the game is balanced around group play, not 1v1s" and then having a class whose only purpose seems to be to grief in 1v1.
Farrul, i have no doubt you have more then enough experience in roaming. But why is it always all about this godforsaken roaming meta and always demands for nerfs for what killed someone? Not even a sign or mention of group play or how anything may affect it. Why any topic on forum is about solo play is just damn beyond me... Absolutely same 10 folks in each solo topic...Farrul wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:04 am P.S. No WE is not the only thing imbalanced in the game, looking at DPS runepriests for example its things the devs should prioritize as well, but this thread is about the WE/WH.
If tank welf was nerfed it would be a big start. Getting 1 shot by dps welf is actually not so annoying when they take dmg backSlowbro wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 10:44 am The sad part about this post is that WH has been nerfed into the ground for the past 2 years and if you lose against a WH it is an actual skill issue on your side.
While losing against a WE is a balance issue.
Farrul wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 8:44 amHow is it stronger? Does WH have Pounce? No, WH has ranged attacks, which is why WE got Pounce. WE lost all range on their finishers, so they were given Pounce instead.. Does WH have 2 x Pounce? Does WH have insane lifesteal build with WB that escapes through 5 people and survives to tell the tale, 600/3 absorb tactic? Yes, bullets actually heal more than kisses when spamming finishers, and they have a guaranteed proc on TBP with a Flowing Accusation or Prolonged Confession build + RB.. Does WH neglect Weapon skill itemization and still do insane armor ignoring DPS? Yes, Burn Armor, Torment, and Seeker's Triumph (an OP sleeper tactic that gives Seeker's Blade 50% armor penetration and makes it undefendable on a 5-second cooldown!). cooldown!! Does WH put a wound debuff on the target and easily another weapon skill/toughness debuff without having to spec much into the tree? Those are unique WE abilities, just like Seeker's Blade and Incendiary Shot are unique WH abilitiesPanzer80 wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 4:08 pmYou can't complain about WE without complaining about WH, which is stronger. There has been an influx of new player over the past year + with more being on order and a lot are going to the forums when they die to a WE when they were out of position. None of those things you mention are as overdone as anything on WH. The wounds debuff is needed to kill endgame healers. The absorb is 1/2 of the anti-thesis to the WH's Repel Blasphemy and overturned Atonement tactic (possible the most op tactic in RoR) and is one of the things that lets WE compete against OP tanks like Kotbs or even WL's. Your complaint here is a confusion with the games def/offense scaling. The tactic isn't too strong and only works when critically hit. Also, "defense spec" almost always uses offensive aspects like offensive tactics, magic damage stacks or strength stacking. All magic damages have a lower difference in resist cap. Not just WE. Double leap? Most ranged healer dps have multiple tools to cc and hit from 100ft. True ranged classes have not yet been overhauled. Keep that in mind.
I'm looking at tactics Swift Movements, if feinted position still grants frontal armor pierce on Agonizing wounds, then this tactic is just so completely OP. What the hell were the devs thinking here. Again was that a bug or a feature? It has been like that for 20 years, lmao. Not a single WE uses that skill. It's just not that good, but sure... let's cry about that.
WH has currently one thing which makes the fotm play it, 1 it can stealth hence the best class to avoid/gank/ fight back vs the WE swarms of fotm. 2 it has atonoment which is indeed an overtuned tactic. WH deserves atonment nerf. WE deserves several nerfs because its toolkit and utility is currently busted since the December MDPS WE buff patch.
Oh so you cannot kill the toughest snb tank in the game who stacks 1050 toughness, reflects build with 50% block and vigilance, easily ? Hence WE is not OP i see, nice logic.. White Lion? Bugged pet class which yes has tools to handle WE, could be said to be overtuned in some regards but most importantly has nowhere near the presence of roaming, solo WE's simply because it lacks stealth, can easily be targeted and killed by roamers , 6 mans, wbs unlike the WE, which has all the tools in the box. You'll see one Def WL waiting in some corner of Praag for a duel/ambush/ fight to happen, meanwhile WE gank squads are farming people outside the WC area, go figure.
Listen i get nobody wants to be nerfed, but to claim WE isn't overtuned atm despite the 2 x pounce, stealth ( the ultimate gap closer) even snare armor pierce opener that crits for 3.5 ( combined) is just a ridiculous statement. WE deserves from a balance point of view a few well placed ''adjustments'' and everyone knows this, including yourself.
Apparently u dont play WH:Krima wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 2:06 pmFarrul wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 8:44 amHow is it stronger? Does WH have Pounce? No, WH has ranged attacks, which is why WE got Pounce. WE lost all range on their finishers, so they were given Pounce instead.. Does WH have 2 x Pounce? Does WH have insane lifesteal build with WB that escapes through 5 people and survives to tell the tale, 600/3 absorb tactic? Yes, bullets actually heal more than kisses when spamming finishers, and they have a guaranteed proc on TBP with a Flowing Accusation or Prolonged Confession build + RB.. Does WH neglect Weapon skill itemization and still do insane armor ignoring DPS? Yes, Burn Armor, Torment, and Seeker's Triumph (an OP sleeper tactic that gives Seeker's Blade 50% armor penetration and makes it undefendable on a 5-second cooldown!). cooldown!! Does WH put a wound debuff on the target and easily another weapon skill/toughness debuff without having to spec much into the tree? Those are unique WE abilities, just like Seeker's Blade and Incendiary Shot are unique WH abilitiesPanzer80 wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 4:08 pmYou can't complain about WE without complaining about WH, which is stronger. There has been an influx of new player over the past year + with more being on order and a lot are going to the forums when they die to a WE when they were out of position. None of those things you mention are as overdone as anything on WH. The wounds debuff is needed to kill endgame healers. The absorb is 1/2 of the anti-thesis to the WH's Repel Blasphemy and overturned Atonement tactic (possible the most op tactic in RoR) and is one of the things that lets WE compete against OP tanks like Kotbs or even WL's. Your complaint here is a confusion with the games def/offense scaling. The tactic isn't too strong and only works when critically hit. Also, "defense spec" almost always uses offensive aspects like offensive tactics, magic damage stacks or strength stacking. All magic damages have a lower difference in resist cap. Not just WE. Double leap? Most ranged healer dps have multiple tools to cc and hit from 100ft. True ranged classes have not yet been overhauled. Keep that in mind.
I'm looking at tactics Swift Movements, if feinted position still grants frontal armor pierce on Agonizing wounds, then this tactic is just so completely OP. What the hell were the devs thinking here. Again was that a bug or a feature? It has been like that for 20 years, lmao. Not a single WE uses that skill. It's just not that good, but sure... let's cry about that.
WH has currently one thing which makes the fotm play it, 1 it can stealth hence the best class to avoid/gank/ fight back vs the WE swarms of fotm. 2 it has atonoment which is indeed an overtuned tactic. WH deserves atonment nerf. WE deserves several nerfs because its toolkit and utility is currently busted since the December MDPS WE buff patch.
Oh so you cannot kill the toughest snb tank in the game who stacks 1050 toughness, reflects build with 50% block and vigilance, easily ? Hence WE is not OP i see, nice logic.
Listen i get nobody wants to be nerfed, but to claim WE isn't overtuned atm despite the 2 x pounce, stealth ( the ultimate gap closer) even snare armor pierce opener that crits for 3.5 ( combined) is just a ridiculous statement. WE deserves from a balance point of view a few well placed ''adjustments'' and everyone knows this, including yourself.
There are some silly post like this one or good ones highlighting the actual problems. Obviously some people have agenda against WE/WH and wants them to be destroyed by the nerfhammer, however many of us just want a balanced classes or changes that make sense, but obviously the WE community (they seem much bigger based on the population numbers and their forum activity) immediately swarms every post denying reason and logic. Some saying WE actually suffered a huge nerf in the recent mdps patch.Farrul wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:04 amExactly, i could not fathom a honest person , that plays and knows many classes not to consider WE to be on a efficient level Crack for small scale roaming. I mean its so obvious it should not have to be mentioned. Yet the WE players argue, for the sake of it.yoluigi wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2026 1:03 pm Everybody know's WE is the most op classes in the game got way too much utility it's ridiculous. They should be more like assasins not regen tanky high mobility class. Like in live they would do insane dmg but could not instantly stealth and pounce plus all the other tools. I preffer to die quickly than seeing a WE escaping a 6man wacking her.
I do not have an agenda to nerf WE, i just want them to be balanced and stop having these insane tools which they do not need to be a good and strong class, starting with the 2 x pounce thing which was absolutely not needed addition ( looking at you RoR balance team developers, try to realize the game is more outside of your BloB vs Blob balance vision please)
P.S. No WE is not the only thing imbalanced in the game, looking at DPS runepriests for example its things the devs should prioritize as well, but this thread is about the WE/WH.