WElf Nerf

[Delirio]

bla bla bla for nothing, compare with mirror class before pls...

stay blessed

playng RoR is a blessing

[Gobtar]

WE have ALWAYS had Wounds debuff, and have had pounce for the last 2 years people are only crying about it now because they can see the animation...

To be honest I would be okay with Giving DoKs and WPs a charge, that gives them some CC break as well, they kinda get boned if they are snared (especially if its not something they can cleanse) ... But I am Pro- raise other classes up rather than knee jerk nerfs.

[vanbuinen77]

Wp/dok dont deserve a charge or cc break, use your grp to break cc

[Panzer80]

It's great that finally someone confesses how OP RP and Zeals are. When are Defs going to do something about them? WE and WH are targets of constant nerfs but healers and tanks get away with everything. Playing DPS in this game feels increasingly frustrating as tanks and healers are also DPS but can also benefit from their other roles.

Correct. This is why DPS either needed, more dps options, more tools to their kit for depuffing heals/tanks, or more utility/sustain pre patch. In the case of WH/WE they got more dps only. Which are what players are all now complaining about. I don't have a problem with that design choice given the state of the other classes. I do find it odd that there's no WH complaining thread about the 25% crit abso/Bal tactic which is over done if anything was between the two classes. Might as well delete the middle tree for WH as no one would miss it. Not going to complain though, given what the Zealot can do. Oh, and please don't bring up giving WE range back Gob XD

Because this topic is not about high damage.
This topic about low risk high reward unfair spec the def regen welf with armor and toughness.

The base dmagae so high the witchbrew and the koss of death do a lot dmg with zero offensive stat. And they are magic dmg basicly moral dmg toughness and armor dont effect them.

Nothing wrong with high risk high reward, or low risk low reward classes and playstyle.

The problem and the frustratiom always the low risk high reward spec.

Meh. Not really. You're saying the damage is too high and it just isn't. It's supposed to be like poisoning the foe as WE is themed around such things. Why would poison require a high damage stat. It's just not a convincing line of reasoning. Also, there are almost no full defense WE's. Your grievance is with hybrid spec B+ to A- strength WE's with strength around 800-875 (optimized for brawling). Those are the "regen WE's" with no offensive stats... People can now do the same thing on a WH with burn heretic, but they can't pass up atonement (and who can blame them).
WE's already have high risk high reward potential. It's already there. Adding more of something that's already there is also not a convincing argument. Furthermore, anyone can just as easily build a "high risk high reward' build with the witch brew tree already, and the longer it takes to kill something the greater the risk of other enemies joining the fray and ruining your kill as a WE. You have nothing but an empty sack.

[wardfan220]

Don't nerf everything that is fun. If every class has another class they can kill easily everyone can be happy. So instead of nerfing WE which are fairly fun at the moment. Buff some of the other classes so they can kill them. Witch elfs are so popular because they can select 1vs1 but they have not a lot of predators that make their life hard. WH which are supposed to do that, got nerfed for 1.5 years then got a minor buff compared to WE in the melee DPS patch and now already back to nerf again. They can't really challenge Def WEs. I hear Def WL can do but one class is not enough. So yeah buff 2 more classes so they can kill WE easy. Keep some other classes that WE can kill easy.

It's not fun when a WE can kill a kill BIS tank in 2 hits. WE needs nurfed they are ridiculous, always have been

[Nauht]

It's not fun when a WE can kill a kill BIS tank in 2 hits. WE needs nurfed they are ridiculous, always have been

2 hit a bis tank you say? Time to dust off my WE to totally own groups - it'll only take 6 hits to take out any and all melee and going by your metric, casters should fall in 1 hit. Nice.

[Andamarine]

It's not fun when a WE can kill a kill BIS tank in 2 hits.

Yes, you are right. WE never crits BIS tank for less than 5k hp. And 5-6 hits are needed to wipe entire warbands and 10-15 hits for winning sieges or forts. This is the main reason why destro is winning 3 forts every day. Pleaase nerf WE or better delete it entirely from game.

[SuperStar]

2000 dmg/ 3 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
180 dmg/ 0,25 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
And she got healed the same and hd the target.

For comperation:
Full glass cannon slayer bigest dmg ability with crit is 2000. Aganist armor aganist toughness and he sacreficed everything to hit big.

The healer dok has a similar covenant than kiss dmg proc and self heal it has a 2 sec cd, welf has 0.25 sec cd.

Its absurd its unfair.
Its a zero risk, high reward spec.

Its coz a lot of fustration lot of problem.

[Lescargo]

yup WEs are broken rn, and ppls make it worse since they deceide to gank solos as duo/trio.

These WEs around got strong kit but still running when 2v2 3v3 vs real gamers. this is cringe.

And some of them complains because top tier solo tank like me roaming snb regen since the actual meta and are unbeatable.

but tell me how it's supposed to be fun when making effort to run gimpy 2h builds and getting ganked by WEs dogz around huh ?

I mean, don't say WE are not broken because you can't beat me 1v1, some nice WEs like solater or killsattva already found some ways to beat me 1v1. yo 80+ WEs got the same kit as them, isn't it ?

So if you can't beat me, this is not because WEs are "ok"; that are just skill issues, and ganking around will never fix that, period.

[nat3s]

2000 dmg/ 3 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
180 dmg/ 0,25 sec toughness armor no effect onthis dmg, with 0 investment to offensive stat
And she got healed the same and hd the target.

For comperation:
Full glass cannon slayer bigest dmg ability with crit is 2000. Aganist armor aganist toughness and he sacreficed everything to hit big.

The healer dok has a similar covenant than kiss dmg proc and self heal it has a 2 sec cd, welf has 0.25 sec cd.

Its absurd its unfair.
Its a zero risk, high reward spec.

Its coz a lot of fustration lot of problem.

Where you getting that 180dmg per 0.25s there champ? Kiss procs roughly every 5-8 seconds, not per 0.25s. 2000 damager per 3s, what is that, cant be Witchbrew as that has a 10s CD.

Kiss has a proc chance % and internal CD I believe. Both Witchbrew and Kiss are reduced by toughness.

Where's this evidence you speak of?