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Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:00 am
by Detangler
Slayer rampage is easy to counter cause you can just shatter the enchantment, right?
Just interrupt the Choppa when he's spamming GtdC - the animation is pretty obvious. Its that easy to counter, right?
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:29 am
by lumpi33
Sulorie wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:29 am
lumpi33 wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:18 pm
How good is free immunity when you are getting pulled into their blob with screwed up camera, can't move and die afterwards?
When you pull enemy melees and their tanks, who are not running away from you, you actually give them free immunity.
Only people without group support/guard are bothered by this pull, especially if they don't want to get into melee range in the first place.
There are a lot of situations where you want to fall back or get away. In that situations the mara/choppa pulls are huge. No matter if you pull a tank or anything else. If it is zergy that target is gonna die.
Order on the other hand doesn't have the run away gits, doesn't have the snare proc on the WP prayer, doesn't have that good mara/choppa pulls and doesn't a moral 2 to become immune to everything. Focused mind makes you immune to CC but not to pulls. A destro firing that m2 will just run away. An order firing that m2 still gonna get pulled. That is pretty ridiculous.
What free immunity are you even talking? You can always get snared and Im not sure about choppa pull but after a mara pull you can get knocked down. Even if you can't get knocked down as tank. Doesn't mean anything because knocked down tanks still parry and block, which is also pretty ridiculous.
That free immunity doesn't even matter. The pull is superior.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:40 am
by Sulorie
lumpi33 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:29 am
What free immunity are you even talking? You can always get snared and Im not sure about choppa pull but after a mara pull you can get knocked down. Even if you can't get knocked down as tank. Doesn't mean anything because knocked down tanks still parry and block, which is also pretty ridiculous.
That free immunity doesn't even matter. The pull is superior.
Try to remove a tank from his guard target, who is immune to punts.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:31 am
by Battlefield
Simple fix without any testing is decrease Choppa pull distance to 25 ft
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:26 am
by Ninjagon
Sorry but choppa pull is random OP ****, which every choppa mindlesly spamm.
Another simple fix:
Make choppa pull effect as a new core ability with global CD. Dou you wanna pull the enemy? Sacrifice your global cooldown.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:49 pm
by Farrul
Or just remove the pull effect and strenghten the other aspects of it(e.g up the damage component / give it parry strike-through bonus etc, something that fits the theme orky/smash )
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:02 pm
by Dakkhon
Delete it. Its a bs maneuver and has a bubble like radius and pull thru walls, from floors above etc etc. It's over the top and even the Engi pull works nowhere near this. I may get 1-3 people if I am lucky and some npc knats and dirt. No one comes from around corners, different floors or thru them if you are on the edge and then fall to the choppa to be aoe'd with all the others. It needs to go for good. It is abused everyday and all day.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:59 pm
by malark
kinda crazy order basically wins the lions share of everything and everyone pretty much knows slayers, witch hunters and top level white lion are ridiculous
you log on and in the rvr bar all you see is blue
Because of rampage most of the time destro has no front line but some guy with 100% parry and perma range snare and invisibility can't get away against like 1 opposition combo. This forum is kinda hilarious.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:04 pm
by Rapzel
JohnnyWayne wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:07 pm
Considering the pull also interrupts channels and casts, it is way over the top. As far as I am informed, getting pulled and punted removes defenses on your character. If that is the case, I'd recommend to start there and remove that.
Not just that you can't control your character during flight, you are out of position afterwards, which is insanely strong on it's own.
Proven to be a Order Prider urban myth.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:43 pm
by Vri
I find it funny that Gamesbond, said in this post that if you want to help, let him know. We have a chance to do soemthing but we would rather pick at each other in a thread.