Return of Reckoning

Push far enough down the rabbit hole of gameplay hacks and eventually the root causes will show themselves. Nice.

Azarael wrote:Push far enough down the rabbit hole of gameplay hacks and eventually the root causes will show themselves. Nice.

Things are just all over the place They didnt want to mirror anything and just wanted to make is so complex for the hell of it. How they ever intended to balance it I have no idea. Over 5 years pretty much every change someone came up with someone could point out an issue that it threw up. Really its a game mechanic example of what Paul Barnetts mind must be like.

Cleanse worked on BW/Sorcs but in reality was needed vs all enemies. It is more or less always better to cleanse then heal as the damage per tick otherwise will climb until 2 healers cant heal through it. That is why you cleanse whenever it is available. Group cleanse is simply a "cleanse" but it has the added value of removing multiple debuffs thus making it a tad more effective. If anything group cleanse should have a reduced range or a % to fail as it is to effective (LIVE)

@Telen
Making everyone cleanse all types or having group cleanse just feels wrong. The true magic with Warhammer are non mirrors and complexity of classes. Not all classes should have same lifetap as AMs or as good solo kite abilities.

I would not imagine the kind of polls people will do once we have t3 and slayers specs for inevitable doom xD

Chaoself wrote:I would not imagine the kind of polls people will do once we have t3 and slayers specs for inevitable doom xD

This poll was not created by someone who just wants a healdebuff on his SH -.-

Bozzax wrote: Making everyone cleanse all types or having group cleanse just feels wrong. The true magic with Warhammer are non mirrors and complexity of classes. Not all classes should have same lifetap as AMs or as good solo abilities.

Thing is this is a rvr game. Every class should equally effective in rvr in their archetypal role.
AM are good solo for instance in alt spec but nowhere near as effective as a pure dps in rvr. Same should apply to AM as healer against other healers or as a lifetap healer/weaver.

Telen wrote:

Bozzax wrote: Every class should equally effective in rvr in their archetypal role.

Or
Every class should bring something different and unique to the battle to make Warhammer a better game and classes more interesting.

If group cleanse would be less effective we would see much more groups using other healers. These other non alpha heal classes ofc may need additional tweaks to be attractive but making all same is plain boring

PS. Why have AMs if you want all to be WPs etc?

Bozzax wrote: If group cleanse would be less effective we would see much more groups using other healers. These other non alpha heal classes ofc may need additional tweaks to be attractive but making all same is plain boring

PS. Why have AMs if you want all to be WPs etc?

It wouldnt happen though. Why take an AM/Sha when they cant cleanse the class you have to cleanse (let alone spam cleanse through to WoP/BB) and they cant boost fastcast wp/dok ghealing through healbless as rp/zea can. Theres more issues than that but these 2 issues alone make that default healer combo. You need to either bring the classes into these combos or break them up somehow. Giving AM the healbless tactic would be a bandaid. Make RP the spamcleanser and WP the gcleanser and AM the gheal buffer as it is AM/Sha has no role outside smallscale. Same goes for SM Engie/Magus and in some ways WL.

Any class or comp that's very difficult to counter naturally becomes FOTM as we saw in the original game. To me the not quite mirrored classes are one of the features that always made the game interesting.

Thinking about balance in terms of how to counter things is better than just saying, they have this and we don't, because there will always be something.

Vigfuss wrote:Any class or comp that's very difficult to counter naturally becomes FOTM as we saw in the original game. To me the not quite mirrored classes are one of the features that always made the game interesting.

Thinking about balance in terms of how to counter things is better than just saying, they have this and we don't, because there will always be something.

If you believe that you werent playing war. The FOTM was FOTM for the last 4 years.