Tosher85 wrote: Thu May 10, 2018 11:57 am
As for the 1v1, I am absolutely sure that the game is not about it. And not worth discussing.
As for the 6v6:
Given the fact that the Marauder has 2800 armor, and after an armor debuff(1000-1500) and tanks moral(1000), which in sum removes 2000-2500 armor, these remaining 300-800 armor will not give any useful bonus from gift of monstrosity. I even will not speak about runing in monstro spec = no damage, and, if you switch on the occasion, there is a proc chance (25%).
As for wb:
At this stage of the game the main damage in the warband is magic. Therefore, this proc does not bring any actual benefit. Why warband uses more magic damage and not physical is another question. But obviously not because of the abilities of the Marauder.
Off topic:
If you start to think about, is there a place for the Marauder in a warband. I will say this, if the fights happen in open RvR, the Marauder is a waste of slot, due to the fact that the utility of the single Marauder almost equal to zero, and if u use 2, and ideally 3 Marauders, It reduces damage of the warband just enough to keep enemy healers out of strain while you fight against superior forces. And if we think over pure 24v24, its hard to say, perhaps it makes sense to try. But again we are faced with a lack of damage. Plus, there's the remarkable Shatter Limbs ability, which in certain sense reduces the usefulness of the Marauder(such as aoe moral drain, aoe interupt + disorient for 5 sec with 10 sec cd - and it takes two tactic slots) , as well as the damage of the whole warband.
Faithfully yours, Shooga.
Regarding 6v6; WE conq gives 1100 arm, mara 2200. after 600 pot, 1700 vs 2800. Choppa is a walking timebomb, either it exhausts rage before it dies, or it dies like a WE. Mara somehow doesn't come close to the squishyness that the other 2 mdps choices have. The occasional switch to montro does sound like a good way to survive far longer than WE or Choppa might in a melee battle. Question is, is the advantage too much, or is the opportunity cost of not using other 2 stances right?
Slayers explode like Choppas and WHs go poof like WEs, but WL on the other hand becomes neutered when pet is killed time after time, should mara have a similar handicap, or perhaps have its "survival stance" maybe adjusted bit? (Guardian WL can be very tough and have high wounds, but the pet is still a weak spot - in other specs the pet goes poof faster than a slayer charging at 8 AoE sorcs) Obviously I should not be comparing to other classes, but since balance does not exist in a vacuum, you have to take into account how the other mdps do their "surviving".
bit off-tangent regarding WB + mara role in it:
Interestingly enough, before Disrupt changes, we would run more Marauders in warband. The reason being, that we wanted good firepower (Sorcs) and good utility dmg combined into our WB bomb. Then after the Disrupt changes, well Sorcs got neutered. Where previously 3 sorcs were able to pump out solid pressure, now to attain same pressure you needed 4-5 Sorcs.
Then came the moral nerfs. When Mara M2 was good pick for bomb, it stopped existing because of the general moral gain nerf.
If we previously had some Sorcs, Squigs, Magi, Maras, Choppas, dps Zealot contending for warband slots... Choppas WB utility got nerfed when Chop Fasta no longer helped Sorcs. Squigs lost M2 and their main dmg, STY got nerfed, bye. Mara, while retaining its dmg and utility, lost their purpose as moral bomber. So if 2-4 Maras for WB was okay because they aided with their M2s, now you need about 1 mara for the utility debuffing and healer harassing. Second mara is fine, but, bit unnecessary if the 1st mara does the moral debuffing well enough at enemy BWs/tanks.
The trend of nerfing one class after another out of WB meta is somewhat worrisome, but I hope our devs have some plans regarding future WB balance so that the setups can bring back classes that for now just have been nerfed too much.
Maybe, once enough Order Warbands realize that 6-7 BWs is the way to go with M2 R&D, Maras demand will increase to debuff the enemy morals even more. Which however means that Monstro making mara tougher against physical doesn't do much to help them against BW bomb, so not sure if OPs suggestion will any relevance at all regarding WB scale balance. On the other hand since Order runs quite a bunch of pug WBs, with various subpar physical damage classes, Maras will shine there with their Monstro survival kit.
Assuming the balance goes through and Maras now ignore less ArmPen, it will have abysmal effect on organized vs organized WB balance. But might matter more on pug wb vs pug wb balance due to their setups involving random classes and less heavy on magical dmg.