Return of Reckoning

live4treasure wrote:What if it procs an effect similar to Skull Thumpa I think it was called, an ability that causes every attack on the target for the next x seconds to deal x additional spirit damage?

SM already has a mirror of that called, Blurring shock.

Imo, HB was a debuff and should stay so. So, here are some that could be fun :
a) proc an effect like BG's Crimson Death.
b) Reduce chance to defend rate of all enemy by 10-15% for Xs
c) reduce chance to crit for all enemy by 5-10% (mirror of Kneecapper but AoE)
d) reduce moral gain of all enemy by x%.
e) reduce the damage output of all enemy by 10%.
f) increase the damage taken by all enemy by 5-10% (like signal flare)


It just need to be a very strong replacement. Otherwise the class is destroyed pretty much.

What if it's something much more simple, like a 25% chance to proc something that does something like auto attack damage in spirit damage with a chance to crit? The amount of damage could be whatever it needs to be really. I guess this doesn't provide any utility for the team, but it certainly helps damage.

Eathisword wrote: It just need to be a very strong replacement. Otherwise the class is destroyed pretty much.

Not the class. The skill maybe, but definitely not the class. But yeah I agree, the replacement needs to be a strong alternative to Nature's Blade.

To keep with the spirit of the class, what about something unique revolving around absorbs?

Heaven's Blade has a 25% chance to shred any absorbs on your target, transferring those absorbs to your group members within 50ft, and steals any absorbs used on the target effected by Heaven's Blade over the next 10s, transferring them to your group and making all absorbs put on your group members in 50ft 25% more potent.

dansari wrote:

Penril wrote:

dansari wrote:First off, knight aura + HB + WoH all stack together.

I need confirmation on this Tri-stack. Is this true?

Yes, when haojin mentioned it in a thread a while back I wanted to test it myself. I have screenshots on my home PC I can message you, if you're interested.

And what about Storm of Chronos? Does it stack as well? Do we have a quad-stack of Spirit debuffs?

25% on direct damage to remove one blessing/enchantment on your target ?

Penril wrote:

dansari wrote:

Penril wrote:
I need confirmation on this Tri-stack. Is this true?

Yes, when haojin mentioned it in a thread a while back I wanted to test it myself. I have screenshots on my home PC I can message you, if you're interested.

And what about Storm of Chronos? Does it stack as well? Do we have a quad-stack of Spirit debuffs?

No. Storm of C don't stack. I tested it with AM and SM a long time back.

Edit: Volgo answered

Given the decision to implement a change was made without debate I second the notion the replacement for an offensive proc be offensive in nature.

Eathisword wrote:Reduce chance to defend rate of all enemy by 10-15% for Xs

Would agree with this. It would increase utility play of SM.

Eathisword wrote:reduce moral gain of all enemy by x%.

No. Destro classes would just laugh this off.

Eathisword wrote:reduce the damage output of all enemy by 10%.

Again a worthy replacement, as it would retain the offensive potential of a 2h SM.

Eathisword wrote:increase the damage taken by all enemy by 5-10% (like signal flare)

Same as above.

Eathisword wrote:It just need to be a very strong replacement. Otherwise the class is destroyed pretty much.

Agreed. It really would be interesting to know the genesis of the original complaint which set all of this in motion.

Martok wrote:Agreed. It really would be interesting to know the genesis of the original complaint which set all of this in motion.

Tri-stacking WoH, HB, and knight aura