Return of Reckoning

Foomy44 wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:08 am

Spoiler:

Laurentz wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:46 am I don't like Scourged Warping tactic because I have no easily identifiable visuals to let me know it has proced and I hate that for timing purposes.

Buffhead says hi. Anyone not playing with that addon is putting themselves at a disadvantage IMO, just pretend it's part of the client if addons make you feel dirty or something, it really should be.

Laurentz wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:46 am Wind of Insanity, for a 13 point skill simply doesn't do enough, it either needs to be immune to knockback immunities or also boost your armor or parry chance or something.

I don't agree with that, that ability is one of the main reasons I love my dps zealot. I personally think it being immune to immunities is ridiculous, I have shut down WBs with it as is in a good location and it's the main reason I can win 1v1s when I get jumped by a melee. It's channeled so hits multiple times over a decent duration, I don't see any reason 1 ability should be 100% guaranteed to always totally lock down an area for that long a period of time, especially since it also does damage, lifesteals with transference which helps with the survivability if you go that build, and I'm pretty sure it can't be interrupted. Can you imagine how stupid keep fights would be with a stream of guarded zealots hoping in and out the door using this and making sure order can't ever get an attack off with their ram? For comparison SH channeled knockback is a 15 pt ability that respects immunities, doesn't do damage, can be interrupted, and doesn't let you cast other abilities during the channel. WOI doesn't seem that weak in comparison for a 13 pt IMO.

DPS zealots can use a lil love but I really don't think WOI is where the buffing needs to go personally, and making it immune to immunity would just end up getting reverted once people start using it.

Edit: MMMM excellent, let's see how these work out

Zealot
- Harbinger of Doom now shows as a buff.
- Ritual of Innervation now directly mirrors Master Rune of Fury.
- Scourge's base damage now matches Brain Bursta's.
- Warp Reality's base damage now matches Life Leaka's.

- Harbinger of Doom now shows as a buff.

Laurentz wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:17 pm And Mirror of Madness, has anyone noticed it not giving renown contribution from kills? Several times when I was using it I dropped it on people, saw them take tons of damage from it and die, but I got no renown. That was the only attack I landed on them.

Laurentz wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:14 pm I don't use any addons, I tried in the past but I hate all of them for various reasons.

I was WOI spec at Live, I could stop an entire wb through a chokepoint, for all of 6 seconds, then I died anyway usually. That was when it did effectively ignore knockback immunities. As a point blank clothy you have to pay people to guard you unless you find a few crazy tanks that aren't obsessed with elite meta. WOI is great for delaying a small melee train push if you are guarded or preventing order from falling back if you sneak in behind. It is also great for messing with witch hunters. But while WOI is activated you still get killed by rdps, stunlocked, punted, attacked by WL pets... etc making it tricky to use. In stand off fights you never use it. It also eats a tremendous amount of AP, forcing you to spec for Ritual of Innervation which is now slightly nerfed. At Live I ran that ritual with Waves of Chaos to have endless AP, but this tactic is currently broken (only 10ft radius!). You gimp yourself statwise if you take WOI and Transference because then you can't get the AP ritual, forcing you to take all AP jewelry/items and you will still run out of AP with that. I think WOI as is would be fine if they dropped it to 13AP/sec like Chaotic Agitation.

Again, it is a matter of several minor tweaks or a couple major tweaks that would make the dps zealot worthwhile. This was just one major tweak I would advocate given the points sink to spec it.

Laurentz wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:22 pm Well the best target for Mirror is a healer that is getting focused, the only problem is they have a good chance of disrupting.

wwright72 wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:46 pm

Laurentz wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:14 pm I don't use any addons, I tried in the past but I hate all of them for various reasons.

I was WOI spec at Live, I could stop an entire wb through a chokepoint, for all of 6 seconds, then I died anyway usually. That was when it did effectively ignore knockback immunities. As a point blank clothy you have to pay people to guard you unless you find a few crazy tanks that aren't obsessed with elite meta. WOI is great for delaying a small melee train push if you are guarded or preventing order from falling back if you sneak in behind. It is also great for messing with witch hunters. But while WOI is activated you still get killed by rdps, stunlocked, punted, attacked by WL pets... etc making it tricky to use. In stand off fights you never use it. It also eats a tremendous amount of AP, forcing you to spec for Ritual of Innervation which is now slightly nerfed. At Live I ran that ritual with Waves of Chaos to have endless AP, but this tactic is currently broken (only 10ft radius!). You gimp yourself statwise if you take WOI and Transference because then you can't get the AP ritual, forcing you to take all AP jewelry/items and you will still run out of AP with that. I think WOI as is would be fine if they dropped it to 13AP/sec like Chaotic Agitation.

Again, it is a matter of several minor tweaks or a couple major tweaks that would make the dps zealot worthwhile. This was just one major tweak I would advocate given the points sink to spec it.

Use AP pots, simple as that. You can use 2 every fight and they're cheap.

Laurentz wrote: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:22 pm Well the best target for Mirror is a healer that is getting focused, the only problem is they have a good chance of disrupting.

Correct me if im wrong but I don't think Mirror of Madness is disruptable.

kweedko wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 3:22 pm I wish,
Stal life moral - ticks 3 secs intead of 9 secs.

I wish,
Focused mind moral - affect the canneling abilities.

/discus