[White Lion] Pounce need a Cooldown

[Shadowgurke]

Big Brawlin >>>>>>>>>>>> slice through

Bold statement

[Jaycub]

Slice through requires a target within melee range to apply it's snare, Big brawlin can snare people from 30ft away. It also applies 2 debuffs in it's AoE to cover cleanses. The disorient effect isn't worthless either.

I'm not saying slice through is bad, just that destro has an answer to it and it's even better.

[Penril]

Slice through requires a target within melee range to apply it's snare, Big brawlin can snare people from 30ft away. It also applies 2 debuffs in it's AoE to cover cleanses. The disorient effect isn't worthless either.

I'm not saying slice through is bad, just that destro has an answer to it and it's even better.

Yeah, i love it when my BO perma-snares order melee train and our Choppa pounces to their backlines. Oh wait...

Seriously though, that's the reason why i mentioned AoE snares. Yes, BB is better, however im pretty sure the Str debuff doesn't stack with Chosen aura. Disorient is not effective against melee classes since pretty much all their skills are instant (and it doesn't stack with other disorients either). The part that has most impact in a battle is the snare.

So yeah: the BO could perma-snare his enemies and maybe someone in his group manages to push the backline. Order can do the same but in a much easier way thanks to Pounce & ranged KDs, and if the WL is in trouble he can immediately pounce back (come one, the KotBS/IB can easily keep at least 1 guy perma-snared).

Some people act as if a 5 sec CD was the same as a 30 sec one. Really, 5 secs is nothing (and it becomes 0 if running with a Whispering Winds SM). But anyway, make it so they can't pounce mid-air and forget about giving Pounce a CD.

[Shadowgurke]

Slice through requires a target within melee range to apply it's snare, Big brawlin can snare people from 30ft away. It also applies 2 debuffs in it's AoE to cover cleanses. The disorient effect isn't worthless either.

I'm not saying slice through is bad, just that destro has an answer to it and it's even better.

Listing all positives of BB and none of the positives of ST is one way to form an argument, doesn't mean its necessarily true

[mursie]

Big Brawlin >>>>>>>>>>>> slice through

Why is destro so obsessed with kn*ght when BO would easily be the best tank in the game if it had a super punt.

do you really believe this?

1. BO has to slot a tactic for the 10% block increase that a knight can get with an ability
2. Knight and BO both offer aoe snare..but knight offers super punt and KD or mezz
3. Knight buffs and debuffs aoe three stats passively (one of which can be resists) while BO has a 25% chance on melee attack to steal a random stat.
4. When a knight blocks they increase crit chance for their team by 10%. If they want to run PTA...they further increase the chance to be crit of the enemy by 10%

I get that the BO has some strong assist dps..but really... other than spamming BB like a knight spams aoe slice through, the knight brings alot more to the table and does most of it passively while freeing up the knight to focus on the battlefield and help control the fight for his/her team.

This is my opinion of course, but stating the BO is the best tank just seems so overblown. I do like the great assist dps that the BO can put out in SnB, but the knight has it all. You disagree?

[Jaycub]

I like the BO stat steal more than auras, ini debuff is still pretty nice. BO has morale pump which is insanely good. 20% phy damage reduction which stacks with everything. Single target shatter limbs. Big WS buff.

knight 20% crit build is all but confirmed to be nerfed soon™

[mursie]

I like the BO stat steal more than auras, ini debuff is still pretty nice. BO has morale pump which is insanely good. 20% phy damage reduction which stacks with everything. Single target shatter limbs. Big WS buff.

knight 20% crit build is all but confirmed to be nerfed soon™

Stat steal comes down to the ini debuff. Which is one of 7 or 8 stats that you have to get lucky to get... and that's only 25% of the time on melee hit that a stat is stolen. The Knight stands passively and does the same initiative debuff (10% increased chance to be crit is how much initiative??) just for having PTA up - guaranteed and its aoe.

The morale pump would really be nice if the BO had more block. Running full Dev with the best r39 sc shield in game...and full defender spec... you're sitting at 17% block. Maybe there is a belt or a cape to squeeze a bit more out..but 17% is really low. If you spec GWS to get to 27% along with YSMBD..now you've burned two tactics and still need to definitely use BB. which puts GS or SYG on the back burner.

As for the 20% phy dmg ability... it's in the middle tree so what are you sacrificing to obtain? Are you nerfing your bellow?? dropping BB? dropping THC?? If BB is a must (and i think it is) then you're basically not able to get this 20% phys damage reduction.

I agree with the rest. NIDF and WS are very nice.

[Penril]

Focus. This is not a BO vs. KotBS thread.

[mursie]

Focus. This is not a BO vs. KotBS thread.

live a little. this isn't a balance forum discussion thread either.

but in all seriousness - your point is fair. just happened to tangent slide to this somehow. good discussion is still good discussion no?

[Penril]

Meh, it was only a friendly reminder. I can't do anything if this thread gets derailed.