festering IB's

[Coryphaus]

You ever tried AM moral pump on a wh for excommunicate?

It was a cheese start but back in the day, roaming in praag that could win you a 6v6 fight

[bloodi]

You ever tried AM moral pump on a wh for excommunicate?

It was a cheese start but back in the day, roaming in praag that could win you a 6v6 fight

Have you?

That is one of the worst tactics i ever heard.

[Shadowgurke]

sides im surprised you cannot see the difference of the 2 realms and how much easier it is to be successful playing order, stupid, biased or both ?


See this is where you and I will always disagree. Now this is only on the classes I have played but I find this to be true across the board.
Playing Order is a hell of a lot harder. Just about every class has a jumbled screwed up career trees on Order.

That is because you play Order. Destro players feel exactly the same way you do: The other side is OP. Their mirrors are better. Often heard arguments are:

BW has KD and Healdebuff

WL has Lolpounce

Bananaknight has too much +crit

Can't kill IB. Also 2h KD

omg 5k FA => omg 4k FA +1k rapid fire

It's always been that way in non symmetrical PvP games like DAoC or Planetside

Also, saying that Sham=Am makes me sick. Sham are better healer a bit than Am (and they both are healers for free slot "if we can't find any other healer class"), but Am is strongest roamer in the entire game and he is a TONS stronger than Sham.

Out of curiosity, why is that? Wild Healing + Funnel Essence seem far superiort o the last abilities in Shamans healing tree.

[bloodi]

Out of curiosity, why is that? Wild Healing + Funnel Essence seem far superiort o the last abilities in Shamans healing tree.

Shamans can heal more while they move, the only thing an am can do while moving around is using the hot or the shield.

Mobility and being able to kite trains is key for 6vs6, am is terrible at that, shaman not so much.

[Karast]

Magus/Engi - Engi>Magus, because of AA, AOE heal. Also, I didn't get about 3rd tree of Engi - he said "St" what does it mean? Strengh? Oh God, if yes I'll piss my pants off ><

Magus > Engi, because of resistance-based damagetypes.

+1!

Yup.

The AoE heal is only good for leeching or solo play. In any kind of organized group or warband play it is meh. Now if you get 5-6 kegs in the same spot it can be nice, but you have to have 5-6 keg spec'd engi's, and if your taking 5-6 keg engis, it is either a pug warband, or your really lacking on the dps side of things.

As far as AA goes, in T4 with armor caps the damage is really low, it is only 90ft, it tends to be 3.4s CD, it does trigger while moving, and it is interrupted by casts / channels.

When comparing engi / magus what you want to look at is morales / stat stacking.

Engi's have UF the prdps 100% damage buff. It means we can be a bit spiky with morale, where magus can't. That's an advantage.

But magus have easier stat stacking and can get much higher damage bonus, while having better wounds / toughness. Since even if you don't stack WS you still have it on your gear, and if you use the WS tactic it guts your toughness.

It's really a trade off, and it is not like giving magus keg + M2, and changing engi to magic damage and fixing the stat stacking would actually do anything to make them comparable or more valuable in the big picture. They will still be gimped sorcs / bw with pull and useless dots.

[Penril]

Shamans and Archmages will always the least favoured healer as long as they are unable to cleanse BW/Sorcs.

Patch wounds should be changed so it cleanses Curse and Ailment.
And Greener n' Cleaner should be changed to cleanse Ailment and Hex.

So now Shaman can cleanse BWs but Dok cant. Doks will also be unable to cleanse Engie (so indirect buff to Engies there). Do the equivalent on order side for AM and WP.

/discuss

[bloodi]

Patch wounds should be changed so it cleanses Curse and Ailment.
And Greener n' Cleaner should be changed to cleanse Ailment and Hex.

So now Shaman can cleanse BWs but Dok cant. Doks will also be unable to cleanse Engie (so indirect buff to Engies there). Do the equivalent on order side for AM and WP.

/discuss

Yeah except dok/wp cleanse out of a group hot they just apply and forget, am/shammy is single target with a cd.

Is not even close.

[Coryphaus]

Shamans and Archmages will always the least favoured healer as long as they are unable to cleanse BW/Sorcs.

Patch wounds should be changed so it cleanses Curse and Ailment.
And Greener n' Cleaner should be changed to cleanse Ailment and Hex.

So now Shaman can cleanse BWs but Dok cant. Doks will also be unable to cleanse Engie (so indirect buff to Engies there). Do the equivalent on order side for AM and WP.

/discuss

DoK m2?

[Penril]

Shamans and Archmages will always the least favoured healer as long as they are unable to cleanse BW/Sorcs.

Patch wounds should be changed so it cleanses Curse and Ailment.
And Greener n' Cleaner should be changed to cleanse Ailment and Hex.

So now Shaman can cleanse BWs but Dok cant. Doks will also be unable to cleanse Engie (so indirect buff to Engies there). Do the equivalent on order side for AM and WP.

/discuss

DoK m2?

It's an M2. Go play a SC and tell me how many Boiling Bloods you see before you reach M2.

Anyway it is only a suggestion. I always thought that instead of just straight buffing a single class, it would be better to take away something that made other classes "OP" or "must-have" and give it to the UP classes.

Easier way to balance imho.

[Penril]

Patch wounds should be changed so it cleanses Curse and Ailment.
And Greener n' Cleaner should be changed to cleanse Ailment and Hex.

So now Shaman can cleanse BWs but Dok cant. Doks will also be unable to cleanse Engie (so indirect buff to Engies there). Do the equivalent on order side for AM and WP.

/discuss

Yeah except dok/wp cleanse out of a group hot they just apply and forget, am/shammy is single target with a cd.

Is not even close.

wut... is it time for a new signature?