So.. time to fix the WL?

[SilverWF]

I read all your posts. You said that inc HD = Out HD. I pointed out you were wrong. Apparently you need an explanation, but i dont have the energy/time to explain something so obvious.

It seems to me that you think a WL's role is to Pounce from healer to healer using a 10 sec CD cleansable heal debuff (which has a positional requirement).

Not, outHD is not a mindlessly placing skill. Your allies start killing someone, WL made fast jump, OutHD and pressure.
Cleansable? Since when healer can choose what to cleanse? WL has a lot of debuffs too.

Role is to jump to healer while he is far from tanks, fast kill, then go back. I hope you know, that healers without guard most of the time? Mara can't do this: have no such burst and always pretty readable that target he is planning to attack.

And giving to such strong and mobile class as WL incHD - this will be too much.

And WL's outHD ~= Mara's incHD.

[Bozzax]

+1 on inc heal debuff as long it is a tactic involved or trees are rearanged so wls either have pounce or inc heal debuff

[Penril]

Im not advocating for an inc HD for WLs. They don't need it.

Having said that, maybe the positional requirement on Thin the Herd should be removed.

[Tesq]

i too think that wl is deisgned as get pressure on healers class, which is why have a 50% outcoming and not an incoming heal debuff but while it's true that WL out heal debuff is useless on other classes if you have a slayer and you have both a inc and out coming that healer only does a 25% of his healing on himself, which make it so easier to kill.

rather than remove the outcoming heal debuff it should also get somewhere a 25% inc heal debuf + a 25% heal drain for base which would match better the 50% + 25% heal drain of mara.
It feel lik if mara/wl should be secondary dps they should both have 25% inc heal debuff for base (then mara can have a increase + drain tactic and wl somethingelse, maybe reworking some tactis).

WH can also debuff inc + out of 50% so have wl that cannot do that it's just mean that a wh can do what a wl can do but better.

[TenTonHammer]

right now, wl has 0 cc, they would have to spec out of armor debuff to get knockdown, silence doesn't come till later, and loner isnt an option till later. They do absolutely nothing but hit you. Want to get rid of pouncing lions? give them a inc hdebuff. People would spec it. Also, having all cc on the lion makes them even more craptastic. FIx the WL

You dont need CC when you can just kill the target with the front load burst you have, if you need cc that badly then thats where your group mates can step in

No, white lions should not get an incomming heal debuff it would make the class too strong and then their would be almost not ttk on their victims

[Penril]

i too think that wl is deisgned as get pressure on healers class, which is why have a 50% outcoming and not an incoming heal debuff but while it's true that WL out heal debuff is useless on other classes if you have a slayer and you have both a inc and out coming that healer only does a 25% of his healing on himself, which make it so easier to kill.

WE/WH can get both inc and out HDs yet no one calls them OP.

IB has an uncleansable (by Doks) out HD. BG has a spammable one.

And sorry but any healer (in a premade) dying to a solo WL pouncing on him is either a bad healer or has a shitty group.

[tomato]

And sorry but any healer (in a premade) dying to a solo WL pouncing on him is either a bad healer or has a shitty group.

FTFY

[Tesq]

i too think that wl is deisgned as get pressure on healers class, which is why have a 50% outcoming and not an incoming heal debuff but while it's true that WL out heal debuff is useless on other classes if you have a slayer and you have both a inc and out coming that healer only does a 25% of his healing on himself, which make it so easier to kill.

WE/WH can get both inc and out HDs yet no one calls them OP.

IB has an uncleansable (by Doks) out HD. BG has a spammable one.

And sorry but any healer (in a premade) dying to a solo WL pouncing on him is either a bad healer or has a shitty group.

this is exatly what i wrote about wh, not have an inc heal debuff just make wl a worst wh penr....
instead read a line out of the contex of my post try get what i'm talkign about, i said wl should have for base at least a 25% like mara (and not loose the 50% outgoing debuff) , also i added that have not an inc heal debuff just make WL a worst WH cuz you know stealth and pounce can achive the same results

[talissera]

i too think that wl is deisgned as get pressure on healers class, which is why have a 50% outcoming and not an incoming heal debuff but while it's true that WL out heal debuff is useless on other classes if you have a slayer and you have both a inc and out coming that healer only does a 25% of his healing on himself, which make it so easier to kill.

WH can also debuff inc + out of 50% so have wl that cannot do that it's just mean that a wh can do what a wl can do but better.

Because WH have inc HD in dot tree which is more "utility" then DD. Since the core tree is 3rd (backstab) with 50% crt dmg tactic, there is no option for heal debuff too.. May be far longer when rr80 will be applied.

With strong armor slicer WL can push any class with or without heal debuff and have awesome burst, mara have no such burst, have no such positioning, and again 1v1 this WL annihilates anything.

Again, if there is a talk about equaling characters, let's equal sorcs and brights then, because brights have much more powerful and versatile utilities like incoming heal debuff, knock and self cleanse. Instead of this all say that sorc has more strong damage (really? funny 10% to single target?), and Azarael said that he will never make mirrored classes. So why do you think that WL should be full spectrum warrior? Want silence and knock - use 3rd path, want strong burst through the armor - use 1st. Atm all other classes make the choice.

[Penril]

@tesq, i wasn't taking anything you said out of context. I was simply pointing out that WH/WE can debuff heals on their enemies to around 25% and no one calls them OP. Therefore, i don't see any reason not to remove the positional requirement on Thin the Herd. It won't make WL OP. It's a 14 point skil ffs, those should be useful (and not trash like Waaagh, for example).

And once again, i'm NOT advocating for a inc HD for WL's.