Return of Reckoning

Azarael wrote: and potentially being manipulative players as well. Manipulating the process of balance to preserve your own advantage within the game could be considered valid metagaming by some.

On a completely different note, having absolutely nothing to do this quote.....I think Sorcs need a massive massive buff. We are very underpowered. Is there anyway you can make every ability 1 shot everyone and possibly do enough damage to delete their character enterly?


Sarcasm/joking aside, we all fall victim to our human bias as well.

I try and stay as subjective and unbiad as possible when looking at games as a whole, but we are all colored by our experiences and bias.

Azuzu wrote:
I'm joking around, but I'm trying to illustrate a point, we have no way to say who is or isn't qualified to discuss balance.
Without a way to determine qualifications, everyone has the right to discuss balance.

If you want RoR to be balanced for grp vs grp you better ask people that frequently have a premade up and run it successfully.

Nanji wrote:

Azuzu wrote:
I'm joking around, but I'm trying to illustrate a point, we have no way to say who is or isn't qualified to discuss balance.
Without a way to determine qualifications, everyone has the right to discuss balance.

If you want RoR to be balanced for grp vs grp you better ask people that frequently have a premade up and run it successfully.

Are we talking SC premade or oRvR premades?


.....I get to balance the game? Yay! Sorcs will be Gods.......mahahahha!

Nanji wrote:If you want RoR to be balanced for grp vs grp you better ask people that frequently have a premade up and run it successfully.

And then all the active population left is some roaming groups around and people bitching that no one plays this fantastic game.

As much as i love roam, if you ask me what would make the game better for everyone, i have no **** clue and i guess its the same for most people who run premades.

Balancing around top end is a great way to make your game a ghosttown.

Bws are sorcs are equal and balanced towards each other

Azuzu wrote:

Nanji wrote:

Azuzu wrote:
I'm joking around, but I'm trying to illustrate a point, we have no way to say who is or isn't qualified to discuss balance.
Without a way to determine qualifications, everyone has the right to discuss balance.

If you want RoR to be balanced for grp vs grp you better ask people that frequently have a premade up and run it successfully.

Are we talking SC premade or oRvR premades?


.....I get to balance the game? Yay! Sorcs will be Gods.......mahahahha!

Obviously 1on1 can't be balanced since we have archetypes of classes like rdps heal etc.
24vs24 can't be balanced because there are just too many options. An inequality in numbers (mostly rvr) is unbalanced on default.
Grp vs grp is left and it seemed to be the intention of the original devs to balance that.


So is there any valid reason to not aim to balance grp on grp but sth else?

Nanji wrote:So is there any valid reason to not aim to balance grp on grp but sth else?

The fact that more than 6 people are on each side actively fighting every time?

If 6vs6 can be balanced, so can 24vs24.

Hell, guard doesnt exist so 6vs6 is a eternal stalemate, it exists so 24vs24 lasts more than 10 seconds. Aoe caps are not something that never existed and most of the things that are limited to groups are not because the balance was aimed there, its just because them affecting 24 people instead of 6 would be ridiculous.

And as i said, i love roaming as much as anyone can love it but War is a game about big scale fights, not 6 man groups.

bloodi wrote:

Nanji wrote:So is there any valid reason to not aim to balance grp on grp but sth else?

The fact that more than 6 people are on each side actively fighting every time?

If 6vs6 can be balanced, so can 24vs24.

Hell, guard doesnt exist so 6vs6 is a eternal stalemate, it exists so 24vs24 lasts more than 10 seconds. Aoe caps are not something that never existed and most of the things that are limited to groups are not because the balance was aimed there, its just because them affecting 24 people instead of 6 would be ridiculous.

And as i said, i love roaming as much as anyone can love it but War is a game about big scale fights, not 6 man groups.

You cannot balance for 24 v 24 it is impossible there are far too many factors

6v6 is the highest level of play that is what we need to balance for

Coryphaus wrote:You cannot balance for 24 v 24 it is impossible there are far too many factors

6v6 is the highest level of play that is what we need to balance for

Repeating things like a mantra doesnt make them true.

You can balance 24vs24, stop deluding yourselves.

bloodi wrote:

Coryphaus wrote:You cannot balance for 24 v 24 it is impossible there are far too many factors

6v6 is the highest level of play that is what we need to balance for

Repeating things like a mantra doesnt make them true.

You can balance 24vs24, stop deluding yourselves.

I challenge you to tell me how to balance 24 v 24

because if anything i feel you are deluded into believing that is possible