Return of Reckoning

It's not just Id their are a variety of factors with slayers being inherently better

First and formost character models slayers are a lot less noticeable than choppas even when bezerk where chops become bigger than blorcs but slayers don't go through any very noticeable size change

Then slayers have an over all much better kit than chops; rampage, ID, shatter limbs(and put the destro equivalent on MELEE sh literally what the ****)

And due to Ordo whining mythic completely killed the viability of choppas aoe tree

Lastly slayers kd is 3 s while choppas for some inconceivable reason is 2s

Slayers could have been the best mdps in the game if it wasn't for op mara

Cory, am i complaining as WH player that WE gets a 3 sec AoE range Knockdown Plus the same single Kd that WH only has? No. Would i have all rights do so ? Yes. Like stated tons of times before: Classes are balanced around Realms, not mirrors.

Perhaps but I am simply stating how and why choppas are inferior to slayers further more wh can put out dmg at range that wh can do

And I fail to see what to classes like slayers and choppas have to do with real balance they gave destro shatter limbs and put it on melee herder, since your so skilled in the ways of balance tell me how choppa being inferior In pretty much every way to slayer is balanced to the realm, if you can
convince me I'll stop trying to petition buffs for the class every chance I get

Jaycub wrote:

Jezz08 wrote: ........................Sorry but if you choppas and slayers are a good mirror then you need to play both at top lvl/gear, I have played both at rr100...

Stop reading here, why does this always pop up? We are talking about T2, maybe T3 balance. T4 is a long time away.

At least I am pretty sure this is the context we are using for all these threads?

Why coz if you are going to balance stuff you cant look at in t1/t2/t3 as if you make something "balanced" in t2 then it could be really OP in t3 or t4, i did see a few days about people were QQing about group heals well...thats coz they are strong in the lower teirs but when you look at it in t4 its okish not OP but not **** ( the only group heal that was OP was the docs/WP coz they could pump them out as much as they want and not run out of its class resources, if a RP was to do that they would run out of AP and WP's/docs group heal has a quicker cast)


As for WH/WE yes WE has 2 KD's and On your knees is 1 KD(3sec's) and aoe dmg ,yes its ranged and dont forget that you can only knock some1 down 1 time per 30sec's (round about),but then lets look at what WH's get 100% parry, Burn away lies and the Best Exit wounds, exit wounds was so much better for your group then w/e a WE had as it was a big debuff.

I agree that in the long term t4 guided balance is better but since will be here in t2 for a long time some changes should be made even if it's temporary

Just look at how bs sw's are atm

Coryphaus wrote:...Just look at how bs sw's are atm...

DING! 87/250.

Idk if they will have time to do that even tho it would be nice, they have alot of things to fix and afew things to undo, my friend told me that they made it so spells dont go off till they hit 100%....which kills BW/sorcs 100%, as on live it was 70% so it was not hard to do a full rotation without that sorcs and BW are well.....nothing. Let me cast fireball 2.9sec's in and they move out of los or move back too much and your cast stops, on live they would have been dead now its meh gg BW sucks (sorcs can spam a dot so....its not so bad) '_'

normally i would agree that balancing in t2 is a waste of time. on the other hand as other put out, we will be here for a LONG time. So a bit time invested into the most important balancing issues could still be worthwhile.

I will not and dont even need to discuss anything here at all. Im just stating that people seems to be a bit .. 'narrow minded' . In the Big picture you can see a lot of differences that somewhere even out. Magus being innately better than Engi simply due to having Int as stat instead of Ball+WS. We Procc mechanic and whole Skilltypes are overall way Beter. Just compare Pierce Armor with Seekers Blade or like beforementioned the OYK with pityful the Dragongun. Marauder and WL are obvious. Also Sorc has some benefits that BW does not have, but its also vice versa (knockdown, selfcleanse) in other aspects. I also find BG superior to IB and DoK with cleansemorale, pretty much countering the only problem that this class has (not cleansable IB-healdebuff), while the WP is stuck with not being able to cleanse Ailments (pretty much all Inc healdebuffs). There are a lot of minor Problems you have to take into account in terms of Realm-Balance, but like i said i will not dicuss this here. Just be a bit more open minded and dont always see everyone as inferior-mirror-class .

Edit: Also ID will be cleansable here on RoR. Which it was not on Live. just fyi

I disagree with ib vs Bg those 2 are two of the most balanced classes in war and ib has stronger buffs than Bg but that's only fair since hate builds faster than grudge so it evens out

I still feel that at the very least the devs could do for slayer vs chop is make the kd duration the same