Return of Reckoning

tr400ex wrote: this is kind of funny. What do you think would happen if they lowered the level cap to 19 and all the bomb groups still form without group heal?? This is and always has been a group game. You are a DPS Am pugging and are having trouble killing in groups with stacked heals ....no shocker here. Premades with proper groups who can assist KD and interrupt properly will always win against pugs no matter how much they spam group heal.

All ive seen winning tonight are those stacking 100k gheals and 150k+ engie bomb groups. Ive been healing them.
If were going back to 2009 bombing days whats the point.

Telen wrote:

tr400ex wrote: this is kind of funny. What do you think would happen if they lowered the level cap to 19 and all the bomb groups still form without group heal?? This is and always has been a group game. You are a DPS Am pugging and are having trouble killing in groups with stacked heals ....no shocker here. Premades with proper groups who can assist KD and interrupt properly will always win against pugs no matter how much they spam group heal.

All ive seen winning tonight are those stacking 100k gheals and 150k+ engie bomb groups. Ive been healing them.
If were going back to 2009 bombing days whats the point.

Funny thing, last night i farmed a ****-ton of BWs and Engies.

Penril wrote:

Telen wrote:
Whats wrong with this image?

Destro only had 2 DPS classes, so they weren't able to get many kills.
Order had more DPS classes, but since destro had 8 healers, they weren't able to get many kills.

Seems pretty normal and logical to me. This is just a case of bad group composition.

+1 also most people in Sc's are pugs and you can't expect any co-ordination.

Telen wrote:The majority of healers arent 20 yet. Thats why you are still getting kills. When you do go up against 4 or more lvl 20 healers spamming gheal you need hdebuffs.

Whats wrong with this image?

Clearly that I got a deathblow...

I feel the solution would be to

Fix groups, no more ghealing everyone in a Gates of Ekrund scenario (maybe fixing groups is easier said than done)

And to limit the range to 100 from 150 meaning the healers need to expose themselves in order to have the gheal land

(since a LoS requirement might prove too difficult and laggy)

xaunik wrote:I feel the solution would be to

Fix groups, no more ghealing everyone in a Gates of Ekrund scenario (maybe fixing groups is easier said than done)

And to limit the range to 100 from 150 meaning the healers need to expose themselves in order to have the gheal land

(since a LoS requirement might prove too difficult and laggy)

Range is fine as ir always has been shortening it would be a hassle for Lv once they get that far once groups are fixed it'll be fine

xaunik wrote:I feel the solution would be to

Fix groups, no more ghealing everyone in a Gates of Ekrund scenario (maybe fixing groups is easier said than done)

And to limit the range to 100 from 150 meaning the healers need to expose themselves in order to have the gheal land

(since a LoS requirement might prove too difficult and laggy)

Are they not 100 ft already? Normal heals are 150 ft but group heals are supposed to be 100 ft. At least that's the way it was on live when Mythic patched it.

Telen wrote: All ive seen winning tonight are those stacking 100k gheals and 150k+ engie bomb groups. Ive been healing them.

You can't really touch group heals because as you point out yourself there is just to much AOE damage flying around.

Telen wrote: If were going back to 2009 bombing days whats the point.

The population increase gives dense blobs and bombing vs blobs is an effective tactic not much we can do about that. T2 is a "small" area and GoE is a "squeeze" SC so we are likely to see much AOE tactics. So are you a suggesting a complete rework of AOE and If so how to counter blobs that comes from more ROR players?

ok, I retract my last comment. you're right: impossible to kill anyone in scenarios now. 6 scenarios in a row where winning team has 2 kills total and losing team has 0. Watching paint dry...

Bozzax wrote:

Telen wrote: All ive seen winning tonight are those stacking 100k gheals and 150k+ engie bomb groups. Ive been healing them.

You can't really touch group heals because as you point out yourself there is just to much AOE damage flying around.

Telen wrote: If were going back to 2009 bombing days whats the point.

The population increase gives dense blobs and bombing vs blobs is an effective tactic not much we can do about that. T2 is a "small" area and GoE is a "squeeze" SC so we are likely to see much AOE tactics. So are you a suggesting a complete rework of AOE and If so how to counter blobs that comes from more ROR players?

Please understand.

AoE is the default tactic now because it is aftifically high. AoE cannot be stopped by guard. Guard is a huge damage mitigation. War has bigger damage manipulation effect than pretty much any other game. The reason is so that Aoe can stay artifically high and allow the meta to scale to fights of all sizes. The foundations of this are guard and heal debuff. They allow single target damage and healing to be heavily manipulated by the players. Aoe isnt affected by this so is can be kept at a level relatively high in comparison. A single aoe can be 4-5 times as much damage for similar ap costs so the game without hdebuff to manipulate healing and damage become an aoe ap race. That is why bombing has returned. Aoe classes will always win the ap race.