Return of Reckoning

SmackdownNinja wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:21 pm

sogeou wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:57 pm

SmackdownNinja wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:46 pm
Any tank on destro or order that is going with a defensive spec is not going to do much damage. There is no way that any tank can do as much dps as a melee dps class even if they go full blown dps. And any tank that goes full blown dps will not be able to preform their tank duties successfully, thus getting the worst of both worlds. There are also already so many active and passive abilities that significantly reduce resists so that would lead to further balance problems down the road.

Destro tanks can still max dps while being super tanky. Chosen can have 250 bonus damage while 5k armor 500ish toughness 75% parry etc etc etc. They can hit 700/ 800 while only being hit for 100-200 crits and self heal a **** ton. We just entered tankhammer is all. Everyone is going to do full retard specs.

You should post combat logs then, even if they taunt and you don’t detaunt they won’t be hitting you for that much if they haven’t went full blown deeps. And if they did go full blown dps they won’t have 5k armor and 500 toughness. Take a destro tank to a order fort and see how long they last under the new dot changes/ combat formula.

They do. It is called being a chosen. Just go to mix max tool and see for yourself.

sogeou wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:28 pm

Grock wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:10 pm

sogeou wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:57 pmChosen can have 250 bonus damage while 5k armor 500ish toughness 75% parry etc etc etc.

Explain this one please? 250 dps bonus is 1050 strength +200 melee power
75% parry shouldn't be possible either, 25% from Suppression, 18% from RR, you'd need ~43% from just gear bonuses

Welcome to being a Chosen. It is possible. Also, str is almost 1200 with 300 melee power with pot. They have crit builds with like almost 10k wounds and 45% crit. Also with the 299 bonus damage build with 1200 str and 300 melee they have 54% armor pen.

yay!

Not sure if serious or trolling.

Zxul wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:33 pm
Not sure if serious or trolling.

Go make a chosen, get sov / warlord.

Grock wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:06 pm

dalen wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:27 am Basically the order should be same as live now: Damage + Weapon DPS + Stat Contribution -> Toughness mitigation -> Damage multipliers -> Absorb -> Crit -> Armor/Resist -> Guard

So basically this means Toughness applies to total damage, not just Mainstat contribution?
Then the removal of 75% cap doesn't quite make sense, it was introduced to prevent high Toughness vs low Mainstat situations where attack's damage gets reduced to miniscule values as Toguhness easts away the ability's base damage.

btw when is "psm" modifier applied? Pretty sure wep dps, mainstats and toughness should all be affected by it, otherwise toughness will be too strong vs weak attacks (like 1s tick dots) and not good vs strong attacks (long cast spells)

Toughness is a flat DPS reduction, the same as Strength/Melee Power/Ballistic Skill/Ranged Power/Intelligence/Magic Power are flat DPS increases. All are affected by the coefficient (e.g. scaling) of the special attack which you use. Weapon DPS and special attack base damage are not affected by coefficients, but are added onto the value provided by Strength etc. and Toughness. In the case of auto-attacks, this remaining value is then multiplied by the weapon's attack speed to achieve damage.

Want to overcome a defender's Toughness? Increase your Strength/Melee Power/Ballistic Skill/Ranged Power/Intelligence/Magic Power.

I recommend taking a look at my damage calculator and playing around with it.

sogeou wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:37 pm

Zxul wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:33 pm
Not sure if serious or trolling.

Go make a chosen, get sov / warlord.

Do you have screenshots of these stats? Playing around with Rockalypse's min-maxing tool, these values seem very hard to reach.

sogeou wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:37 pm

Zxul wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:33 pm
Not sure if serious or trolling.

Go make a chosen, get sov / warlord.

I have a chosen, that is why I'm not sure if you are really serious or just trolling.

SmackdownNinja wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:21 pm You should post combat logs

IB/Ch at same altSov (1pc diff)

and i gues you play BG?
Do you still have a armor pot and buffs stack? And in this patch they also did it for IB? Noo?

Id sure like to see screenshots of those supposed Chosen stats. I'm sitting here at 3 sov 2 warlord 3 invader w rr61 scenario weapons and those numbers seem pretty far fetched to me....

hammerhead wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:02 pm

SmackdownNinja wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:21 pm You should post combat logs

Spoiler:

IB/Ch at same altSov (1pc diff)

and i gues you play BG?

Spoiler:

Do you still have a armor pot and buffs stack? And in this patch they also did it for IB? Noo?

You have an 8.37% chance to be crit, not including the Chosen's own crit chance. Invest in some Futile Strikes.

You also have 347 Toughness as a tank. Can't do much about the damage you take when you make the gear choices that you have.

hammerhead wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:02 pm

SmackdownNinja wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:21 pm You should post combat logs

Spoiler:

IB/Ch at same altSov (1pc diff)

and i gues you play BG?

Spoiler:

Do you still have a armor pot and buffs stack? And in this patch they also did it for IB? Noo?

So you had a 2h chosen hit you on an Ib that could of had your resists lowered and possibly other stats as well through his auras. You also had a high chance to be crit as well for tank when you should be around 0%. You weren’t hitting him as hard because your attacks had to go through armor and a lot of his didn’t. Spirit dmg is what makes chosen and sm different from other tanks. Don’t know what your trying to get at here.