Broken WB Balance

[xanderous]

I welcome you to come and try. You good sir are a troll. I wish you the best. Have a nice day!

Try what, lead you into victory??? i'm not the one making a whine thread disguised as a balance post discussion but it does speak to my statement about lack of leadership when you so eagerly went to bass to buck to me...

So what is your great leadership advice to remove zealot in a funnel situation or if one (1) enemy zealot get into your healer backline and granting the destro warband 4 seconds to get the upper hand?

A full warband of BW bombing, one engie for pulls, served me very well in the past, take that under consideration but i doubt it will be, order loves their engies and white lions...

[Karast]

One is the keyword, not two or 3, now do a zonecheck in eu prime, check classdistribution and have a laugh.

You know we switched comp Raga. You know why. BW wasn't working. It was to easy for you to focus down the BW, them to get hit with an unlucky drain, or to get punted, or for you to send in punt zealots to the front, or just stacking wounds.

Also before you get salty. Remember TM last week? At the keep? when you followed us off the wall? Good times that!

Buddy take your drain or get it removed, get your winds or get it nerfed.

Play your wl in your brilliant st comb which has same death as kills idc.

Yup! and you still pull from us to regroup with the zerg, follow us around the keeps, and die to us on occasion. You know you enjoyed those fights. In Elf T2, in TC, in TM at the keep and above Gromril. I worry how much editing you gotta do on your videos! (enjoy the snark)

Also our kills are above our deaths! Slander!

You know these are issues. You are a fairly nice and reasonable guy, and I enjoy fighting against you, and all of TUP.

Zealot punt needs to go away, and mara drain could be mirrored to WL or go away. Either would work. That's all I, and a lot of order as asking for. It's not a lot to ask for either. I know we agree on that.

[Karast]

Try what, lead you into victory??? i'm not the one making a whine thread disguised as a balance post discussion but it does speak to my statement about lack of leadership when you so eagerly went to bass to buck to me...

So what is your great leadership advice to remove zealot in a funnel situation or if one (1) enemy zealot get into your healer backline and granting the destro warband 4 seconds to get the upper hand?

A full warband of BW bombing, one engie for pulls, served me very well in the past, take that under consideration but i doubt it will be, order loves their engies and white lions...

Good day sir!

[DanielWinner]

One is the keyword, not two or 3, now do a zonecheck in eu prime, check classdistribution and have a laugh.

You know we switched comp Raga. You know why. BW wasn't working. It was to easy for you to focus down the BW, them to get hit with an unlucky drain, or to get punted, or for you to send in punt zealots to the front, or just stacking wounds.

Also before you get salty. Remember TM last week? At the keep? when you followed us off the wall? Good times that!

Buddy take your drain or get it removed, get your winds or get it nerfed.

Play your wl in your brilliant st comb which has same death as kills idc.

It would be actually very funny to see what other excuses they will use whenever they lose to a comp that doesn't have all those "op" things.

[Nidwin]

Zealot punt needs to go away, and mara drain could be mirrored to WL or go away. Either would work. That's all I, and a lot of order as asking for. It's not a lot to ask for either. I know we agree on that.

Why?

I've already posted to give a better WoI version to the Runepriest and as a core ability.
Nope to only WL as this is going to be another order incoming whine thread so to avoid it devs give it to both WL and Slayer.

[Karast]

You know we switched comp Raga. You know why. BW wasn't working. It was to easy for you to focus down the BW, them to get hit with an unlucky drain, or to get punted, or for you to send in punt zealots to the front, or just stacking wounds.

Also before you get salty. Remember TM last week? At the keep? when you followed us off the wall? Good times that!

Buddy take your drain or get it removed, get your winds or get it nerfed.

Play your wl in your brilliant st comb which has same death as kills idc.

It would be actually very funny to see what other excuses they will use whenever they lose to a comp that doesn't have all those "op" things.

Why is it that you don't want to actually talk about a completely broken ability and vastly over-preforming tactic. Instead you insult order WB's and WB leaders and play the clown, about a very real issue.

Is it too hard to step aside for a moment and look at them seriously?

Do you really believe zealot punt is balanced?

We have been fighting this for a long ass time now. We will keep doing it. You see us in the lakes week after week, fighting. Making comps that work, going for fights, getting kills, and dealing with this nonsense. But there are limits, and every time we get something we can play and work with it get unceremoniously dumped.

It's hard to convince someone of something when they depend on it being the other way.

[abodam]

Zealot punt needs to go away, and mara drain could be mirrored to WL or go away. Either would work. That's all I, and a lot of order as asking for. It's not a lot to ask for either. I know we agree on that.

I think only one who agrees on that is you. Rest of the topic is people suggesting to deploy different warband structure to counter these (you asked for a counter multiple times).

This thread is far from discussion but more close to you not accepting other arguments and repeating the same thing away - no counter.

I could have made this thread last week when we lost horribly 3 times in 6v6 with our setup. That setup was far from optimal and we played below our standard in most of these fights. I did not come to forum asking for nerfs due to imbalace on SW/WL having jumps and damage. I just accepted our comp is not great idea and we would have been beaten even if we played 100% clean and properly. I feel this might be the same story in bigger scale.

Maybe you should learn from stuff you done and did not work, or made them work better instead of throwing "OP" around after couple of lost fights.

[Panodil]

2. Winds of Insanity ability for Zealot. There is no effective counter for this undefendable immunity ignoring AoE punt. Right now the zealot punt is game breaking since it not only ignores immunities, but is also undefendable and hits through walls. All it takes is 1 punt zealot on a postern door, near an entrance to a keep, or in a tight area to effectively lock down and shut down an order WB. You can't FF down 3-4 zealots, especially when they are funneled up inside a keep. It needs to be removed, or fixed so that it is no longer undefendable, and so that it doesn't ignore immunities.

Just want to add that zealot punt dont ignore immunities, just dont give one. So it cant punt people that have immunity.
Source: Me playing Zealot.

[Karast]

Zealot punt needs to go away, and mara drain could be mirrored to WL or go away. Either would work. That's all I, and a lot of order as asking for. It's not a lot to ask for either. I know we agree on that.

I think only one who agrees on that is you. Rest of the topic is people suggesting to deploy different warband structure to counter these (you asked for a counter multiple times).

This thread is far from discussion but more close to you not accepting other arguments and repeating the same thing away - no counter.

I could have made this thread last week when we lost horribly 3 times in 6v6 with our setup. That setup was far from optimal and we played below our standard in most of these fights. I did not come to forum asking for nerfs due to imbalace on SW/WL having jumps and damage. I just accepted our comp is not great idea and we would have been beaten even if we played 100% clean and properly. I feel this might be the same story in bigger scale.

Maybe you should learn from stuff you done and did not work, or made them work better instead of throwing "OP" around after couple of lost fights.

There is no counter. This is from the people that play order WB's day in and day out. It doesn't exist. No can show a video. No one can make an example. No guild is doing, or has done it since last year, since the recent morale changes. You can't provide real counters, because there are simply none.

[Karast]

2. Winds of Insanity ability for Zealot. There is no effective counter for this undefendable immunity ignoring AoE punt. Right now the zealot punt is game breaking since it not only ignores immunities, but is also undefendable and hits through walls. All it takes is 1 punt zealot on a postern door, near an entrance to a keep, or in a tight area to effectively lock down and shut down an order WB. You can't FF down 3-4 zealots, especially when they are funneled up inside a keep. It needs to be removed, or fixed so that it is no longer undefendable, and so that it doesn't ignore immunities.

Just want to add that zealot punt dont ignore immunities, just dont give one. So it cant punt people that have immunity.
Source: Me playing Zealot.

Nope. Had immunity on Wednesday. Still got chain punted for full duration against a wall. If it didn't you wouldn't be using it Pano!