Return of Reckoning

Luuca wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:29 pm just make all classes playable by both sides and call it done.

Kragg wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:00 pm

wonshot wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:35 pm
Balanceteam did that, not any destro guild.

Fabricating your own myth again I see

Karast wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:09 am If you want to be successful with a destro WB get 2 punt zealots, and train them up.

Onemantankwall wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:38 am Want true rvr balance? Nerf lag... Lag op af even 6-7 bws stands no chance!

Lag for the lag god, dcs for the disconnect throne!!!

Oneman out!

Einherja wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:31 am Nerf the Balanceteam!

Karast wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:09 am

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Aurandilaz wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:41 pm Now the funny thing is, Fluff posted another video of his warband action, from yesterday;
what we can conclude from this video found here - viewtopic.php?f=54&t=27979&p=335824#p335824

a)
you do not use HOLD THE LINE, which is something any normal warband tank would do to reduce enemy damage
instead, you choose to complain about BWs doing dmg, against which you could use HTL, but don't bother to

b) your Warband organization
2 maras, if they doing their task properly, will drain enough many BWs to ensure their M2 drop fails to reach critical mass or delay M2 drop by 10-20 sec, which allows Destro meanwhile to gather morale drop and win fight
3 shamans, when 1 is already too much
1 zealot, when preferably you would have 4 to give each party Ap, +25% heals and +1k armor
1 Squig, which doesn't do jackshit because no AOE spammer, and BadGas is countered by proper Order wb with 4 SMs
3 Sorcs, too little, too little bomb dmg having seen yesterdays killspam - either ensure they are all running proper AoE spec or lecture them about getting more dmg + kills, preferably you would run 4-6 Sorcs
0 dps Zealot, a class that would debuff enemy Corp and Armor resis (so your WE, SH, Maras would be like warm knives slicing through butter + increased tank dmg pressure), and so that your Sorcs corp dmg output increases massive when combined with BO corp debuff
While I love my WE, the class itself have 0 WB utility and dmg is far below Sorc dps, so no need to run those in WB.

c)
Now instead of fixing your own personal gameplay and playing like a tank should in warband, helping counter against BW dmg by proper HTL use...
Or instead of running a properly organized WB that utilized every trick and benefit known to Destro when it comes to butchering a BW heavy Order warband...
Your strategy to counter BW is to get them nerfed - that is the only viable dps class Order has for WB (Engi + Slayer are utility picks and cannot compete for DPS spots).
The alternative would be to "git gud" like Destro guilds have done in past giving them challenges but good chances of victory against organized BW-heavy Order guilds (Phalanx, TUP etc), but apparently that would be harder than to post your 7th "please let us talk about the problematic BWs killing me" nerf-BW thread.


As someone who plays both sides, with over dozen T4 chars, I have to say life on Destro is far easier when it comes to warbands, you are not required to run high Sorc number but can add classes like Magus or Mara or even a Choppa freely to the mix, and still have good chances of beating organized enemies.
And also, I would like to play non-BW classes in Order warbands, like my WL (RIP AOE spec) or maybe even my WH or Slayer - but as balance currently is and probably will be forever, it's recommended to not run less than 6-7 BWs for an organized Order wb (+ token Engi).


tdlr; pls use HTL

You make some good points but you miss a big thing I think.

If you want the view point of an order WB leader that plays in and out all the time the problem in their comp really is lack of zealot punt.

There is no counter for it. It completely shuts down keep assaults / defense and hunkering down in defensive positions. And whether you run AoE or Melee bomb on order all it takes 1-2 punt zealots to break your front line and give a sharp destro WB the time it needs to break you in a more 1 on 1 fight. You can try to focus the zealot, but if they hang close you won't do much without a hard ST ranged assist, which you won't have will full BW comp. Like when TUP came at us in Praag yesterday in the tunnel, or when a sneaky zealot used the zealot punt through the wall to disrupt the good funnel position. Order has to sit farther back off the door or you get chain punted through the wall when destro push in.