Melee/Assault SW

[AxelF]

But but all you have to do is just change your entire gearing and you have a simple counter to this one tactic....

"Don't take my op toy away..."

[Anomanderake]

Fact is, orders, for some reasons, have access to double debuff, that is broken anytime. Like for SM.
Do you want a shifting meta? Ok, give to destro some double debuff

[dansari]

Again, if a single tactic on a single character dictates the entire meta then there's something wrong with the balance.

Run Away

I think you spelled "auto detaunt" wrong. Hell I see a lot of squigs running it nowadays because it's better than any defensive gear you could ever slot.

[rmpl]

What are you even on about, no one runs SHs in 6v6s.

[sogeou]

Fact is, orders, for some reasons, have access to double debuff, that is broken anytime. Like for SM.
Do you want a shifting meta? Ok, give to destro some double debuff

There is no reason why Blorc and SH conq buff should not stack. That is 180 or whatever right there. So, that would get removed too.

[daniilpb]

That BO you're talking about is indeed running only 315 toughness which is more than enough for absolutely everything but wrist slash meme group.

I'm sorry, but when did running a viable build in a 6 man become a meme-group?

People just seem really salty that a meta is changing... Not the end of the world guys; adapt or do you want to platy the same builds/groups for 10 more years?

Again, if a single tactic on a single character dictates the entire meta then there's something wrong with the balance.

Wake up it's not the tactic! Tactic was always there and no one ever noticed it's existence. It wasn't even acceptable for a group to have a sw just for this tactic, it never gave any huge advantage. But Conq proc did that since everyone is whining now

[Anomanderake]

Even SM spirit debuff used to stack, no?
A lot of things changed here from live. You can’t ignore that fact. Maybe in a RR100 top gear environment such things don’t hurt.

[Stinkyweed]

What are you even on about, no one runs SHs in 6v6s.

/sadface

...No child wants to play with a Charlie-in-the-Box...

[rmpl]

I'm sorry, but when did running a viable build in a 6 man become a meme-group?

People just seem really salty that a meta is changing... Not the end of the world guys; adapt or do you want to platy the same builds/groups for 10 more years?

Again, if a single tactic on a single character dictates the entire meta then there's something wrong with the balance.

Wake up it's not the tactic! Tactic was always there and no one ever noticed it's existence. It wasn't even acceptable for a group to have a sw just for this tactic, it never gave any huge advantage. But Conq proc did that since everyone is whining now

Not entirely, I'm against any stackable initiative debuff that's only available to one side be it conq proc or not.

[dansari]

Fact is, orders, for some reasons, have access to double debuff, that is broken anytime. Like for SM.
Do you want a shifting meta? Ok, give to destro some double debuff

There is no reason why Blorc and SH conq buff should not stack. That is 180 or whatever right there. So, that would get removed too.

Well, technically the reason is that they are both abilities.