ORVR Purple bags

[lefze]

I guess the pros of the past using 255 specced renown ranks played the game too and game is here to blame because it allowed and enabled that behavior.

I was thinking Bloodi was a bit overly harsh, guess not.

[Hargrim]

I love that everyone now calls strawman and titanium logic, but when fellow poster accuse devs of lying all is A-OK. Speaking of low blows...

Ah well, I guess you are right and I will just get back to changing stuff the way I and team want, not waste time speaking on forums, as everybody is an expert here and the issues with system were known even before it was released.

Over and out.

[bloodi]

I love that everyone now calls strawman and titanium logic, but when fellow poster accuse devs of lying all is A-OK. Speaking of low blows...

So you never told players that contribution was what really mattered and the way to get bags was to just "do more".

Like on here
Or disregarded feedback on this very same thing with an "Ok"
Never told people they just needed to be "very good"
Also when people mentioned how others were being rewarded for just killing 2 guys, you didnt disregard it with "run more supplies smileyface"

And thats just because the forums ignores searchs for "do more get more" since they are common words.

You just wasted your times on the forums because when they give you early feedback "is day 0 trash criticism" and when its after a while "its just easy hindsight".

Just cover yourself up, get to your safespace and criclejerk each other, thats how we solve things around here.

You all talk a lot how you would love if people helped you more but every time someone actually tries, you act like you they are stabbing you and cry murder over it.

[GodlessCrom]

I love that everyone now calls strawman and titanium logic, but when fellow poster accuse devs of lying all is A-OK. Speaking of low blows...

Ah well, I guess you are right and I will just get back to changing stuff the way I and team want, not waste time speaking on forums, as everybody is an expert here and the issues with system were known even before it was released.

Over and out.

Okay, youre not lying. But youre dismissive of a lot of decent criticism, and overly defensive when people discuss it. Most of your posts are just shitposts snarking at players for whatever reason, which is fine if your goal is to engage with players adversarily, but then it makes sense for players to react adversarily.

Telling players "youre playing my game wrong, **** you" and then pulling the whole "Im taking my ball amd going home!" schtick is just...whats the purpose even? What is your goal when posting? Why stoke resentment and act surprised when people resent you?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes innit?

[Hargrim]

Indeed. My posting apparently serves no pupose so I won't do that anymore. Because when I say I know contribution affect your rewards I know what I'm saying. If you prefer to belive otherwise that's your problem, but as it turns out I don't have to prove or explain anything to anyone. If what I do (codewise) is OK with other team members that's all I need. As my posting seem to have bad effect on people for whatever reasons (my overal character or bad mood or something) there is no need to antagonize playerbase with it.

Cheers.

[Fallenkezef]

Indeed. My posting apparently serves no pupose so I won't do that anymore. Because when I say I know contribution affect your rewards I know what I'm saying. If you prefer to belive otherwise that's your problem, but as it turns out I don't have to prove or explain anything to anyone. If what I do (codewise) is OK with other team members that's all I need. As my posting seem to have bad effect on people for whatever reasons (my overal character or bad mood or something) there is no need to antagonize playerbase with it.

Cheers.

In all honesty Hargrim, you could be as nice and polite as a English Butler and folks will still take offense to what you say and demand that you do the game to their satisfaction. I've always tried to be polite and constructive in my comments, others less so.

At the end of the day it's your game, you do the work and we add nothing in real terms and don't have to answer to the playerbase. As i have said that has disadvantages but also many advantages.

I just hope the trolling won't get you down too much, I know how such behaviour can be demotivating.

[wargrimnir]

I love that everyone now calls strawman and titanium logic, but when fellow poster accuse devs of lying all is A-OK. Speaking of low blows...

So you never told players that contribution was what really mattered and the way to get bags was to just "do more".

Like on here
Or disregarded feedback on this very same thing with an "Ok"
Never told people they just needed to be "very good"
Also when people mentioned how others were being rewarded for just killing 2 guys, you didnt disregard it with "run more supplies smileyface"

And thats just because the forums ignores searchs for "do more get more" since they are common words.

You just wasted your times on the forums because when they give you early feedback "is day 0 trash criticism" and when its after a while "its just easy hindsight".

Just cover yourself up, get to your safespace and criclejerk each other, thats how we solve things around here.

You all talk a lot how you would love if people helped you more but every time someone actually tries, you act like you they are stabbing you and cry murder over it.

Where's the constructive criticism?

RNG sucks. White bags for tryharding sucks (because RNG). Gear > FUN. Do more get more doesn't matter (because people abused multi-char RvR stacking).

White bags for everyone wasn't intended, but that's what happened. The intent was a normal rate of bags where most of the time you get NOTHING, but it didn't work. So we let white bags happen.

You're defending people that brought as many characters as possible into RvR for minimal contribution to get RNG rolls. I don't feel bad at all if that's what you get snark for. It is kind of sad behavior, you need gear so bad you're basically abusing an exploit so get rolls on everything when you don't do anything.

We have a recurring theme that comes up. If you're getting something for doing (basically) nothing, that's going to be fixed. Don't be shocked.

We've already heard people don't like RNG. We're very aware, mucho. Why is anyone surprised that it's still here? That's the system that we want in place. It serves a function of slowing down BIS gear accumulation. It serves a function of anticipation, relief, exhilaration, etc. It's one of the few places where RNG is hard, but it's also the main draw of the game (RVR).

You're fighting battles that have already been lost, we're not going that direction for certain gear accumulation menthods. Transparency is another issue, it turns what should be "doing stuff" in RvR into a checklist, where do A > B > C > D then farm enemies until the zone flips. We don't want to have a checklist. We DO want to see people hard-stuck in farming players getting less gear on the flip, and players that actually do stuff (aside from solely farming players) feeling more like once they break through RNG they get gear faster than others.

PS - you guys are dangerously close to territory that I'm not going to tolerate as far as jabs against staff, deserved or not. Calm it down and talk it out.

[Bozzax]

Yep just another I want easier bags thread.

Check rr70-80s and you’ll see all are in a good spot in terms of gear. If you manage bis bf 70 well be happy

[Darosh]

Its impossible call lies in muddied waters; what you can attribute to a missunterstanding or spiraling tensions resulting from the latter ~ you should, as actual ill and malicous intent is seldomely acted on, especially outside of spheres that allow for actual one-up manship.

Its is admirable that you offer a game experience and it goes without saying that everyone in their right mind is grateful for it.
But if you consider this a testing environment, cultivating a communal sentiment in accordance with it goes a long way.
If we are testers bombard us with things to test, give us a frame that lets us gauge what is being expected and that lets us stress the system in a way that reveals possible flaws ~ brush off the casual shitposters ~ place the game experience on the backburner, you might ruffle some feathers but who cares; once things have undergone elaborate testing with a more or less clean slate things can get changed up/recycled (e.g.: test mechanics in a system unrelated to the final system, rearrange them afterwards) and the veils can go up again to prevent potato'ing.
If things are communicated directly, no one has an opportunity to take shots at personas, let alone feels the need facilitate a persona of oneself to meet arbitary criteria, regardless of how convinient and simple to cope with (on the outside) this persona might be - or gets to fight one's figments of imagination.

A little excurse:
Society in its primal form, from the tiniest social interactions to the biggest advancements in science an alike, can be summarized in one word: outsourcing.
When people voice criticism or feedback they direct your attention towards issues that you, by nature and commom sense, can't possibly find all by yourself ~ from real life appearance that might indicate health problems, or behavioural quirks that could possibly see you run into trouble with less 'lenient' specimen, or that might portray something at odds with your personal perception.
Moreso, if people do the latter, regardless the words used or passion that takes form - at times in an unpleasent way -, they show that they indeed redpect you, what you are doing and who you are.
While surely everyone is in a sense selfish, it goes both ways in terms of immediate effect ~ if I were to be solely selfish and wouldn't respect you (= consider you capable) I wouldn't bother wasting my time writing just about anything.
Time is a human's most precious, if there isn't a modicum of chance, per one's judgement, one simply won't spend time trying to reason, per common sense.

One might not be able to estimate impacts of changes to the game in terms of a work-and gameflow, but one can easily predict how things will develop on a communal level ~ which, at this point in time is my personal, greatest concern.
We are about to reach the peak of animosity that is powered by missunterstandings from all sides, which, once we have passed it, will turn into an all-in and all-out free for all. Pushing the blame around in circle gets tiresome after awhile.

I'd like everyone involved - players and staff alike - to ask and answer themselves a simple question: Are you comfortable with how things proceed on a communal level? The ingame brimborium, at this point, doesn't matter.

The stress that comes about with this eternal back and forth takes a toll that at some point will become unbearable. The events of the past few days should speak for themself ~ its no rocketscience either, if I might add.

[lefze]

Yep just another I want easier bags thread.

Check rr70-80s and you’ll see all are in a good spot in terms of gear. If you manage bis bf 70 well be happy

And here I was under the impression that a good deal of the arguments were to make it harder? I mean, this thread went bonkers some time ago, but the gist of it seems to be that no one like the fact that zero effort gives golds, a lot of effort gives whites, and somehow this turned into some kind of blamegame where the population is being blamed for the fact that the system is flawed, and certain people are retaliating with some pretty wild claims against Hargrim. But all in all, I see no reason to make a ridiculous statement like that.

And BiS is easy to get way before 70, so that doesn't surprise me. But it still isn't right that the effort=worse rewards.