[White Lion] Pounce need a Cooldown

[Twyxx]

Side question: Is pet pull supposed to be able to work from a greater height so long as it's in range (i.e. being able to pull people from off that ledge outside in Reikland Factory)?

[magter3001]

Side question: Is pet pull supposed to be able to work from a greater height so long as it's in range (i.e. being able to pull people from off that ledge outside in Reikland Factory)?

If maras can, so can u

[Twyxx]

I know that I ***can***, but I'm wondering if it's supposed to be that way.

[bloodi]

If a ranged KD + pounce + destro melee constantly AoE snared by KotBS8/IB is a "magical perfect situation" for you, we are clearly playing different games. I see that ALL the time.

But mate, that is not the situation you put up, let me quote you again:

Let's say both groups have 2 tanks and 2 DPS. Fight begins, 4 destro melee clash with 3 order melee. Snares come and go, and at this point the SW targets an enemy healer (he can get close because destro melee are engaged), uses his KD and the WL pounces on him. The WL has nothing to worry about because destro melee is engaged away from him. If you have a RP he can try staggering the other healer. If the destro melee train makes it back to protect their healers, the WL can pounce towards one of his tanks since they will be able to at least have one destro guy perma-snared.

You dont talk about KD + Pounce + Aoe Snare on destro, you talk about healers being isolated, you talk about tanks having to track back to save that healer, you talk about a RP staggering the other healer, all while somehow, the destruction just runs around screaming "WE ARE SNARED, WHAT TO DO" letting the WL a perfect path of stepping stones to pounce back to safety.

This is not your normal run of the mill situation, this is you creating a special encounter perfect for the WL to shine.

No one wants mirrors though, so if Destro is not gonna get any of those tools (ranged KD + Pounce) then at least Pounce should have a few restrictions, like:

- Not being able to Pounce mid-air.
- Not being able to Pounce up keep walls.

Fix that, and i will agree that it doesn't need a CD.

I agree with you on the mid air jumps, i dont agree on the Keep walls, pick lock exists and if your keeps are getting terrorized by Wls jumping on them, well, you have bigger problems than that.

[Thifall]

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- Not being able to Pounce up keep walls.
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That is also for magus/engii pull. But those bugs are trough due to z-axis issue. Fix z-axis, and those are gone.

[magter3001]

I know that I ***can***, but I'm wondering if it's supposed to be that way.

Well aza said use common sense when thinking about such things. Common sense dictates that it works correctly as the ability is supposed to be similar to Mara's pull but just with a pet.

[Penril]

You dont talk about KD + Pounce + Aoe Snare on destro, you talk about healers being isolated, you talk about tanks having to track back to save that healer, you talk about a RP staggering the other healer, all while somehow, the destruction just runs around screaming "WE ARE SNARED, WHAT TO DO" letting the WL a perfect path of stepping stones to pounce back to safety.

This is not your normal run of the mill situation, this is you creating a special encounter perfect for the WL to shine.

Ok, ignore the RP stagger. The SW himself could use his 4 second Silence. But let's ignore that one too... a KotBS/IB AoE snaring destro + WL setup is pretty common. Check KotBS threads and the best ones all suggest to slot Slice Through. This lets the WL Pounce to enemy backline and apply pressure for a few seconds. Worst case scenario for him, destro manages to defend their backline but he manages to escape thanks to Charge or Pounce (his tanks will be able to at least keep one target perma-snared). As soon as Destro pushes back, he can try it again.

Anyway, this point is moot now (for me). After all the discussions had in this thread, i agree that a CD is not needed IF WL is not allowed to pounce mid-air anymore.

[Ghostweed]

@OP

Pounce needs 5 sec CD becasue as a Shaman there is no counterplay to it. All u can do is detaunt+AP leech, but u still die in 3 sec due to the AA speed (im looking at u really badly designed 5-piece Duelist set bonus). As a shaman u see the WL comin -> u press AP leech -> WL is on top of u with pet -> u press AOE detaunt -> u get KD -> death in 3sec -> GG, no skill, much fun, super lame.

If u Eeeek, WL just jumps back mid air and u live for one more GCD. Sound fair.

Bad WL is soloable but mostly its just insta death. Great idea to have KD which makes u just watch and do nothing. Its the worst CC in game as there is no counter (except random parry). All other CCs gives u atleast something to do or are broke by dmg.

[Jaycub]

Big Brawlin >>>>>>>>>>>> slice through

Why is destro so obsessed with kn*ght when BO would easily be the best tank in the game if it had a super punt.

[Tesq]

pounce need to be killed as escape tool, not offensive one, the cd must be between 5-9 sc it would be overkilling otherwise.